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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?


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would be interesting to follow this couple for the next 18 years to see just who the real asshole is.....

You completely miss the point. It has nothing to do with who is right, who is wrong, who is an asshole and who is not. It has to do with what is best for the patient from a medical point of view, both patients because when mom is stressed, then baby is stressed, as they are still sharing a body.

For all WE know this woman could suffer from a mental illness and just be paranoid, but that doesn't matter. What DOES matter is the patient's perception of the situation. Even if SHE is the asshole, SHE probably doesn't see it that way, and his presence there will upset her. It does NOT matter who started it or who is a jerk. It only matters to the medical professionals that she be as calm and as comfortable as is humanly possible during her delivery.
 
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Aren't you the one who calls women he does not know "cum dumpsters"

Oh good - you're back. Maybe you can shed more light onto the "men film childbirths for custody high-ground" debacle.

I would LOVE to get your perspective on this.
 
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I personally would not punish my child or the mother with a tantrum.

Men do things all the time for women - they grit their teeth, force a smile, and do it.

We do that because we're more mature than to use something as punishment or leverage. Men are obviously more mature.

that's my only complaint about my wife. She constantly uses the old "you're a man, so you'll get a better response" excuse when she wants me to do something that she doesn't want to do.

take the car to the mechanic - "they'll be less likely to try to screw you over because you're a man"
call the school about one of the kids - "you'll get more respect or quicker response because you're a man"

I know it's a bull**** excuse, she (probably) knows it's a bull**** excuse, but I smile and say "no problem" because I know it will make her happy.
 
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If he's in there bossing her around, cussing her out, physically assaulting her, etc. I say throw him out. If he's there relatively quiet with a camcorder


Now I know you're just kidding around and trying to get a rise out of the women on this poll.

equating that with trauma is just plain foolish.

Trauma is not just physical trauma by medical definition - emotional trauma is just as bad especially during childbirth.

Giving an ex the right to be present and humiliate and traumatise the mother not only affects her but can affect the child. If she freezes up and prolongs childbirth due to involuntary reaction to his presence the child gets to pay for the rest of its life.

You obviously ignored my link.
 
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I like how everyone has ignored the post where I tried to get the men to place themselves in the woman's place in terms of privacy, vulnerability, and embarrasment.

Complete avoidance. LOL I know it's hard to imagine. To the point of offensive. And that's how a woman could feel, that exposed, to someone she dislikes and distrusts...with a video camera no less!

This shows that some men really have no respect for women and no ability (or desire) to understand what they go thru during labor.

As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.
 
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that's my only complaint about my wife. She constantly uses the old "you're a man, so you'll get a better response" excuse when she wants me to do something that she doesn't want to do.

take the car to the mechanic - "they'll be less likely to try to screw you over because you're a man"
call the school about one of the kids - "you'll get more respect or quicker response because you're a man"

I know it's a bull**** excuse, she (probably) knows it's a bull**** excuse, but I smile and say "no problem" because I know it will make her happy.

I can't attest to the latter, but she's right about the former. Women should never do anything pertaining to a car alone (taking to a mechanic, buying one, etc.) - recipe for disaster.
 
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Now I know you're just kidding around and trying to get a rise out of the women on this poll.



Trauma is not just physical trauma by medical definition - emotional trauma is just as bad especially during childbirth.

Giving an ex the right to be present and humiliate and traumatise the mother not only affects her but can affect the child. If she freezes up and prolongs childbirth due to involuntary reaction to his presence the child gets to pay for the rest of its life.

You obviously ignored my link.

They DON'T care. They only care about this men versus women issue. That is the only thing that is important to SOME people. To HELL with the health and well-being of the people involved. HE wants to prove a point dammit! :(
 
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-- It only matters to the medical professionals that she be as calm and as comfortable as is humanly possible during her delivery.

I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).
 
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As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.

Of course there is, if she doesn't like him anymore, and he disgusts her, it is NOT unreasonable at all. A past relationship is irrelevant.
 
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I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).

Exactly, and it's not surprising that it would turn into this "war" that some people seem INTENT upon seeing happen, regardless of the logic involved in a MEDICAL decision which is BEST for the patient. The doctors don't give a CRAP if the guy is suffering from "hurt feelings." They care about their patient and her well being and HER comfort.
 
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As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.

Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?

The relationship between the two of them has nothing to do with the medical point of view anyways. I'm shocked that you would say such things.
 
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I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).

The only thing some people care about is being "right" apparently. To hell with everything else, including the health and well being of other humans.
 
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You obviously ignored my link.

More than just that.

Yeah figured your argument was a pile of rubbish, you're not bothered about any health consequences for the child otherwise you'd have a different viewpoint.
 
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Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?

She's a woman. We'll never know.
 
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I can't attest to the latter, but she's right about the former. Women should never do anything pertaining to a car alone (taking to a mechanic, buying one, etc.) - recipe for disaster.

the funny thing is that we have been using the same mechanic for the last 20 years and my father used our mechanic's father for the 40 years prior to that. They know us and aren't going to try to screw us. In our case, it is a totally bull**** excuse. ;)
 
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She's a woman. We'll never know.

We don't know, exactly right. She could suffer from a mental illness, and his presence could cause her emotional difficulties.

IOW, the reasons WHY are secondary to concern for the patients.
 
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I personally would not punish my child or the mother with a tantrum.

Men do things all the time for women - they grit their teeth, force a smile, and do it.

We do that because we're more mature than to use something as punishment or leverage. Men are obviously more mature.

I can't believe YOU are saying this.

Mr. "women are cum dumpsters".

Seriously.
 
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Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?

The relationship between the two of them has nothing to do with the medical point of view anyways. I'm shocked that you would say such things.

You should not be surprised. You know that I tend to take all factors into consideration when I look at most issues. I didn't say that the relationship has anything to do with the medical point of view- in fact I said that his rights do not trump her right to privacy. My point was that she has now become shy and needs her privacy, but she sure as hell wasn't too worried about privacy when she slept with the guy. It doesn't matter to me personally either way- it's just an observation of what appears to be hypocrisy on her part.
 
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the funny thing is that we have been using the same mechanic for the last 20 years and my father used our mechanic's father for the 40 years prior to that. They know us and aren't going to try to screw us. In our case, it is a totally bull**** excuse. ;)

Oh, and I'm sure YOU are perfect right? You don't say, "oh, will you make it for me, because I don't know how." :lol:
 
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You should not be surprised. You know that I tend to take all factors into consideration when I look at most issues. I didn't say that the relationship has anything to do with the medical point of view- in fact I said that his rights do not trump her right to privacy. My point was that she has now become shy and needs her privacy, but she sure as hell wasn't too worried about privacy when she slept with the guy. It doesn't matter to me personally either way- it's just an observation of what appears to be hypocrisy on her part.

Maybe she has issues, and HE should have made better decisions. A lot of single parents are TEENAGE girls and some, yes, are mentally disturbed or just not very healthy emotionally, and this goes for the men and women.

How you can say there is hypocrisy on HER part without knowing the story is hypocrisy on your part.

Do you know he hasn't been physically violent with her or threatened her? NO you do not know ANY details.
 
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Maybe she has issues, and HE should have made better decisions. A lot of single parents are TEENAGE girls and some, yes, are mentally disturbed or just not very healthy emotionally, and this goes for the men and women.

How you can say there is hypocrisy on HER part without knowing the story is hypocrisy on your part.

I am not in a position of trying to get a legal action enforced against another individual. My feelings and thoughts on the issue don't matter. Hers do.
 
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I am not in a position of trying to get a legal action enforced against another individual. My feelings and thoughts on the issue don't matter. Hers do.

But that doesn't stop you from saying that SHE should have made better decisions. What if she's 15 years old and he's 23 years old or even older? I suppose it's all her fault for making a "bad" decision. He's just a victim of the bitchy evil women.
 
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A lot of single parents are TEENAGE girls and some, yes, are mentally disturbed or just not very healthy emotionally.

Obviously so.
 
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