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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I often tell my wife that I was the person who endured the most hardship during our son's birth.
    She must love you very much! You are still alive, and that says a lot about her!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    medical necessity (including the mother's mental well being) trumps the desire of the father to see the baby being born.

    I think the judge got it wrong, it has nothing to do with privacy in my book, except so much as that privacy has to do with the mother's emotional as well as physical well being.
    No he didn't, he's not a doctor. He ruled on the law, and it was about privacy. They'd have to do an evaluation to prove that the husband in the room was causing mental/physical suffering.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent point, and one I also thought of, but I was thinking along the lines ot a man having a vasectomy. Both are unique to the sex involved, and personally I would not be interested in witnessing that medical procedure. Yikes!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    medical necessity (including the mother's mental well being) trumps the desire of the father to see the baby being born.

    I think the judge got it wrong, it has nothing to do with privacy in my book, except so much as that privacy has to do with the mother's emotional as well as physical well being.
    Well, let's just say, purely for the sake of argument, that women are preventing fathers by the tens of thousands from being allowed into the delivery room, and not this one isolated case that's causing certain people to flip the ever loving hell out. The problem is, is there really the time, manpower and resources to do a mental and medical evaluation for every woman about to go into labor in order to determine if the father being present would be a cause for concern? Privacy laws are much tidier and, in my opinion much less dehumanizing than being forced to argue that someone shouldn't be in the delivery room with them. Personally, if I were about to undergo surgery, I wouldn't want to have to defend my claims that my exgirlfriend shouldn't be in the operating room with me because she makes me uncomfortable. Why should her insistence on being there suddenly be my problem?
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Child custody is another uphill battle for men where they are not given the privileged rights as women. Even today when both parents have careers, there is a bias against the male gaining custody in a divorce. She's often at fault for the divorce and still ends up with the kids. The BS that a child needs a mother more than a father is getting old. They need a father just as much and it is damn time this bias in the courts stops.
    You are showing your bias for saying "she is often at fault for the divorce". This is a viewpoint based almost certainly on either personal bias or just the hardcore stats of who initiates divorce, without looking at the reasoning behind why they are initiating divorce. Some people just should not be together. I would say that most likely it is about even for who is at fault for divorces between men and women, even factoring in those marriages where both could be said to have equal fault in the separation/divorce.

    And I've already said that I agree that courts favor mothers over fathers when it comes to child custody, and that is wrong. But it is also a very complicated issue, particularly when you have two people who are both pretty good parents and they may not even end up settling in the same state and the children have to go to school and cannot have their lives completely uprooted every few weeks or months just to give both parents equal time. There are so many things that go into child custody that it is unfair to believe that it should be 50/50, especially given that even today more women take on more of the childrearing responsibilities than men even when the relationship is good. Sure, it needs to be looked at better in many cases, but it can't change overnight and expecting it to is attempting to trivialize the issue altogether. This issue is simply not as easy as "well more mothers get custody of their children than fathers". While this is true, and this needs to be looked into, it is also true that more mothers are the primary caregivers in their homes. And it appears like joint legal custody is on the rise as well (although I don't think they have any really good statistics on this).

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Hola polgara.....and NO you would not wish to be there....hell, I didn't want to be either.
    : ... My husband, after the surgery, did agree with you...although it was his idea in the first place! He warned me that he just might not be home on time one night in the future, but he did grin when he said it! Good man!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Hola polgara.....and NO you would not wish to be there....hell, I didn't want to be either.
    Screw that.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Screw that.
    It's something I would rather not take part in, myself. However, I think it would be a little odd to tell my wife, "Hey babe, I'd stay here with you, but this is totally gross so I'm going to be outside playing Candy Crush til this is over. Love ya!"

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well someone who wanted to be present at the birth and was willing to take it to court for the privilege, doesn't sound like someone who will abandon his child. But those child support payments will ensure he has every right to be a part of the child's life and the woman will just have to deal with it.
    Absolutely true, and I hope that kid knows what a great father they're going to have.

    Wish I could say the same for the mom.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's something I would rather not take part in, myself. However, I think it would be a little odd to tell my wife, "Hey babe, I'd stay here with you, but this is totally gross so I'm going to be outside playing Candy Crush til this is over. Love ya!"
    I was speaking more specifically to the subject of vasectomy. It'll be a cold day in Hell before anybody comes at my crotch with a knife.

    However, I do agree with you regarding childbirth as well. While I would want to be there for support during the delivery, if the scalpel, surgical scissors, or forceps come out, and it is legitimately justifiable on medical grounds and something she consents to, I'd likely have to position myself so that I couldn't see it.

    Like Tucker said, some of that crap just can't be unseen. Dealing with the fall out of her recovery is going to be taxing enough without having to become acquainted with the gruesome details of the procedure itself.
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