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Thread: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?[W:78]

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    Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?[W:78]

    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    I think your voting is going to be a little skewed when you have Russian soldiers with guns around you. Besides, why doesn't the US just bombard various provinces in Canada with people and make them vote to join the US, one province at a time?
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I think your voting is going to be a little skewed when you have Russian soldiers with guns around you. Besides, why doesn't the US just bombard various provinces in Canada with people and make them vote to join the US, one province at a time?
    I fail to see the analogy.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
    This is not a democratic vote.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I fail to see the analogy.
    If people are being compelled under threat of force to vote a certain way, and there's no monitoring to ensure the vote is done without tampering than its not a real democratic choice.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Would you support a state of the US, or the most strategic portion of your country, deciding to join Russia?

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If people are being compelled under threat of force to vote a certain way, and there's no monitoring to ensure the vote is done without tampering than its not a real democratic choice.
    Are they really?

    The U.S. should have negotiated to get involved with the vote to make sure it met their standards.

    I think it will be legitimate and Crimea will vote to secede because of their demographics and political leanings.

    Interestingly, the U.S. did not support democracy when the Ukrainians deposed of their elected leader.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Would you support a state of the US, or the most strategic portion of your country, deciding to join Russia?
    If they wanted to. I believe in the principle of secession.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Are they really?

    The U.S. should have negotiated to get involved with the vote to make sure it met their standards.

    I think it will be legitimate and Crimea will vote to secede because of their demographics and political leanings.

    Interestingly, the U.S. did not support democracy when the Ukrainians deposed of their elected leader.
    Well a few points.

    1) The Russians would never allow outside observers into the Crimea to watch over the election, it simply cannot be negotiated for.

    2) Democracy isn't everything, just because someone is democratically elected doesn't give him free reign to do whatever he wants. The last leader of Ukraine was a man who murdered his people in the streets and stole the wealth of the country for his personal bank accounts and those of his personally connected cadre. He ran the country as a place meant to generate wealth for him and his family, one of the reasons the protests started in the first place, then he fled the country and claims to govern from outside its borders. So democratically elected or not, when you behave like that you aren't legitimate.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Are they really?

    The U.S. should have negotiated to get involved with the vote to make sure it met their standards.

    I think it will be legitimate and Crimea will vote to secede because of their demographics and political leanings.

    Interestingly, the U.S. did not support democracy when the Ukrainians deposed of their elected leader.
    Answer me this:

    Is this a legitimate contract, where I put a gun to your head and you sign over all your assets to me?

    And what happened in Ukraine was that the president abandoned his duties leave the state without a president. The parliament, including every member of the President's party voted to remove him.
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