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Thread: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?[W:78]

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    If OSCE is from far-right EU parties and they are bad guys, who else should/could observe there?
    US ?!
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Of course you didn't say it....because it would have undermined your claim that Russia didn't invite "professional, qualified" outside observers and you would've had to finally admit your error.

    Selective memory now, huh? Actually, you clearly said "Russia would never allow outside observers into Crimea and it simply cannot be negotiated." Thats a far cry from what you're saying now.

    Right, you said the puppet PM invited them meaning that the PM is controled by Russia. So what difference does it make, its still Russia inviting the professional outside observers?

    Right and everyone knows a puppet is controled by a puppet master. Which brings us back to square one....Russia invited outside observers to Crimea. Do you agree or not?
    I'm think you're deliberately having a hard time understanding clearly written English words and I dont want to keep playing this game.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I'm think you're deliberately having a hard time understanding clearly written English words and I dont want to keep playing this game.
    Oh, so now it's my fault that your weasle tactics to avoid admitting a simple provable fact, failed you? lol

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I think your voting is going to be a little skewed when you have Russian soldiers with guns around you. Besides, why doesn't the US just bombard various provinces in Canada with people and make them vote to join the US, one province at a time?
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh, so now it's my fault that your weasle tactics to avoid admitting a simple provable fact, failed you? lol
    I wasn't clear, because you're playing dumb and pretending to not understand what I'm saying I've got no interest in talking to you.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I think your voting is going to be a little skewed when you have Russian soldiers with guns around you. Besides, why doesn't the US just bombard various provinces in Canada with people and make them vote to join the US, one province at a time?
    That's what Mexico has been doing for over forty years now.

    Now the Mexican government is dictating to the American government that we should award these Mexican invaders with amnesty and citizenship while at the same time claiming under the "Law of Nations" that these Mexicans who now occupying America are still Mexican citizens who owe their allegiance to Mexico not America.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I wasn't clear, because you're playing dumb and pretending to not understand what I'm saying I've got no interest in talking to you.
    Thats fine, but my point still stands. Russia did indeed invite outside observers to Crimea to observe the referndum election and that negates your claim that they didn't want outsiders to observe the election.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats fine, but my point still stands. Russia did indeed invite outside observers to Crimea to observe the referndum election and that negates your claim that they didn't want outsiders to observe the election.
    "Well, at least now you admit the Obama's White House are liars.

    They have stated that the Russia provided pre-marked ballots for the election, an election held under Russia invasion and martial law, in a country that in the past deported and genocided everyone who opposed the Russian government - for which is was announced Russia won the election by 95% - though that had never been the outcome in prior votes on the same question.

    There is no credibility in those posting 95% voted to join Russia, but at least you admit - as do nearly all Democrats on the forum, that the Obama White House are liars.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

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    Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?[W:78]Both of you are starting to make it personal here. I'd suggest taking a step back before infractions and thread bans occur. I know that this is a sensitive subject to some but that is still not cause enough to not keep it civil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh, so now it's my fault that your weasle tactics to avoid admitting a simple provable fact, failed you? lol
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Imo, Crimea's entire beef with Ukraine is it's unstable, corrupt government and the far right pro-nationalists threat of ethnic cleansing if they gained control. So to see the far right nationalist Svoboda's quick rise in parliament and now second in control of the government is probably a cause for great concern for Crimeans. After years of threats of ethnic cleansing and corrupt government officials...the threat is now barking at Crimea's door. If now is not a good time for Crimea to secceed, then when is?

    If the referendum was a choice between two evils, Ukraine corruption or Russia corruption, Crimea picked the one they're most comfortable with....and I can't say I blame them because Ukraine's government is a mess and getting worse, not better. US throwing money at Ukraine isn't going to fix whats wrong with Ukraine and will likely only make it worse.....15 billion....how could it not?

    Ukraine, who couldn't get a loan from US or IMF to save it's life before the coup.....after the coup, the US and IMF are tripping over themselves to loan them billions. So one might say that Putin actually helped Ukraine hit the jackpot and come out a winner. Now Ukraine can use the billions they get from IMF to pay their debt to Russia for the gas ....and in doing so...Putin comes out a winner, too. Most of the loan money is just going to get syphoned off by the corrupt Ukraine politicians, oligarchs and russia. The only ones who will really lose and end up paying is the US. Pretty clever of Putin, eh?
    The USA made a deal with Russia. We get the massive natural resources of Afghanistan and Russia gets the massive natural resources of the Crimean region of Ukraine.

    All the rest is just diversion and noise until the public loses interests as it always does.

    Who loses are the people of Afghanistan and the people of Crimea.

    Claiming 95% voted to join Russia is absurd on its face and self-proving it is a fraud.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The USA made a deal with Russia. We get the massive natural resources of Afghanistan and Russia gets the massive natural resources of the Crimean region of Ukraine.

    All the rest is just diversion and noise until the public loses interests as it always does.

    Who loses are the people of Afghanistan and the people of Crimea.

    Claiming 95% voted to join Russia is absurd on its face and self-proving it is a fraud.
    Imo it is not a surprise to have 95% vote there.
    Most of them always felt themselves as Russians.
    Also it's not a surprise to have a fair result of 90% in Russia, China, North Korea ect. because there are not 2 party which divide people in 2 sides like we used to see in West.
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