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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    If its something that UN advisors would be happy with, than sure. If not, than no.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
    Would the US recognize a vote from Maine to join Canada? At least their position regarding the Crimean vote is consistent with how they would view the same situation here at home.

    Whether or not this is the correct position for either situation is very debatable, but it is a consistent position and not a hypocritical one (recognizing the Crimean vote - even if legitimate - would be hypocritical).
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Secession does not work when there are specialized states utilizing comparative advantage. What if, for example, Florida wanted to secede and take NASA with it? What if Alaska wanted to secede and take it's oil reserves with it.

    Those states were developed with the help of the rest of the nation and they would not have what they do were it not for the rest of the country. For them to "take their ball and go home", when others bought the ball, is not legit.
    Thats not really Floridas problem. The land belongs to Florida, not the US govt. We would have to work out some deal for them to haul their stuff away, most likely (minus the portion Florida paid for). Same goes for any other property, military bases, roads, govt buildings. An equitable distribution. Same as any dissolution of union.

    Regarding the topic, I dont see how recognition of Crimea or not means anything. Their independence is not our responsibility. IF they want to be independant, they should make it happen on their own.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If people are being compelled under threat of force to vote a certain way, and there's no monitoring to ensure the vote is done without tampering than its not a real democratic choice.
    Guess we should discount the last US election then, eh? Voter fraud is rife in many districts, both red and blue, the Southern states regularly try to de-incentivize blacks from voting, and Texas (3rd-world ****hole that it is) tried to bar EU vote monitors from entering.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats not really Floridas problem. The land belongs to Florida, not the US govt. We would have to work out some deal for them to haul their stuff away, most likely (minus the portion Florida paid for). Same goes for any other property, military bases, roads, govt buildings. An equitable distribution. Same as any dissolution of union.

    Regarding the topic, I dont see how recognition of Crimea or not means anything. Their independence is not our responsibility. IF they want to be independant, they should make it happen on their own.

    Your first sentence seems to recognize some of the difficulty. Then your second sentence ignores it. It's like you have a split personality.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    The US and the rest of the world should assure the Crimeon people that we will respect and even protect their decision.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    I do not see how you drew that conclusion at all. I support the democratic process wherever it takes place. Crimea voted yesterday, and that vote should be supported. The United States is as of late giving only lip service to supporting the democratic process, even giving aid and comfort to violent uprising against the legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine.

    The United States government is in no position to say what is legitimate and what is not. It has acted very much as the world's leading aggressor in the last couple of decades. I do not support this as an American.
    This is what you "support."

    1. The genocide and deportation of non-Russian Crimeans by Joseph Stalin.

    2. Elections held by a foreign conquering military of a foreign country.

    3. An election for which there are 2 options - both identical - either secede from Ukraine or secede from Ukraine.

    Don't pretend you like democracy. What you support is gaining the fruits of genocide and military invasions.

    But its not like Sweden has not always supported genocide and the elimination of democracy or freedom.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The US and the rest of the world should assure the Crimeon people that we will respect and even protect their decision.
    Perfect satire.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your first sentence seems to recognize some of the difficulty. Then your second sentence ignores it. It's like you have a split personality.
    It makes perfect sense. People have a right to be free. Petty things like bought the couch are irrelevant. The point as it relates to Crimea is that its up to them. The US has nothing to do with it. They need to decide whats best for them and then fight for it.
    Last edited by jonny5; 03-17-14 at 11:51 AM.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It makes perfect sense. People have a right to be free. Petty things like bought the couch are irrelevant.
    Ukraine's most strategically important land and most developed industrial area are hardly a sofa.

    And let's not forget that Ukraine is a democracy.

    Look, I don't advocate military action. I'm just saying let's look at this objectively.

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