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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Absolutely not nor should even be considered a democratic vote anyway. There is no democratic vote when it is held under the gun of an invading and conquering army. It'd be like asking if we should recognize an election in France during Nazi occupation.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    If they wanted to.
    I believe in the principle of secession.



    Did you ever hear of the U.S. Civil War?

    Some Southern states thought that they could secede from the USA.

    They lost that battle, big-time.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
    It is obviously a controlled vote, and the outcome has already been decided.

    It does not matter if we recognize it, Crimea is already Russian.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    It seems to me that this referendum violates numerous Articles of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea

    Article 1
    1. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall be an integral part of Ukraine and it shall solve, within the powers conferred upon it by the Constitution of Ukraine, any and all matters coming within its terms of reference.

    Article 2
    2. In the event where the provisions of the statutory acts of the Supreme Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the acts of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea should contradict the Constitution of Ukraine and/or Ukrainian laws, the provisions of the Constitution of Ukraine and Ukrainian laws shall prevail.

    Article 28
    The statutory acts of the Supreme Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea upon any and all matters regarding the powers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall conform to the Constitution of Ukraine and Ukrainian laws.


    There is also the matter of the Crimean port city Sevastopol. According to the Ukrainian Constitution, the city of Sevastopol is classified as an "independent city" on sovereign Ukrainian (not Crimean) land.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ukraine doesn't need Crimea. They already have Chernobyl. It will become the West's dumping ground for highly radioactive waste iin the very near future.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Ukraine is constructing the "Novarka" that will completely cover and permanently seal the damaged nuclear reactor at Chernobyl.


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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ukraine doesn't need Crimea. They already have Chernobyl. It will become the West's dumping ground for highly radioactive waste iin the very near future. Corporate agenda? NO, the people want it.
    And how exactly will the waste get there?

    Please, tell me the nations that will allow radioactive waste to be shipped across their borders into Ukraine who isn't planning on building a depository of waste. I'd love to see this.

    And yes, Ukraine needs Crimea. Look up the hydrocarbon assets within the territorial waters off Crimea.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ukraine doesn't need Crimea. They already have Chernobyl. It will become the West's dumping ground for highly radioactive waste iin the very near future. Corporate agenda? NO, the people want it.
    You do realize this makes no sense and in no way addresses my points, right?

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
    We should support the democratic process. We do not look so good advocating this process elsewhere, then turn around and aid and abet violent overthrow of a legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine, and again snub our noses at an election by people in Crimea to decide for themselves what they want.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    We should support the democratic process. We do not look so good advocating this process elsewhere, then turn around and aid and abet violent overthrow of a legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine, and again snub our noses at an election by people in Crimea to decide for themselves what they want.
    So what you are saying is you favor military invasion and conquest of other counties - and then having the country under military conquest and occupation calling for an election for which they people under military oppression by a foreign invader are given the choice of voting to denounce their country and withdrawn from it OR denounce their country and withdraw from it?

    That's makes you the most pro-war-hawk and pro-military imperialism possible. Any countries you recommend the USA invade and force them to vote to be Americans?

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So what you are saying is you favor military invasion and conquest of other counties - and then having the country under military conquest and occupation calling for an election for which they people under military oppression by a foreign invader are given the choice of voting to denounce their country and withdrawn from it OR denounce their country and withdraw from it?

    That's makes you the most pro-war-hawk and pro-military imperialism possible. Any countries you recommend the USA invade and force them to vote to be Americans?
    I do not see how you drew that conclusion at all. I support the democratic process wherever it takes place. Crimea voted yesterday, and that vote should be supported. The United States is as of late giving only lip service to supporting the democratic process, even giving aid and comfort to violent uprising against the legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine.

    The United States government is in no position to say what is legitimate and what is not. It has acted very much as the world's leading aggressor in the last couple of decades. I do not support this as an American.

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