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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The U.S. has already said it will not, but do you think it should?

    The only concern is people might feel intimidated, but I honestly doubt that is the case.

    If the U.S. supports democracy, it should recognize this vote. Granted, the U.S. government doesn't exactly have a positive view of secession I would imagine...

    I support recognizing the vote. If they vote to join Russia, let them. If not, then we have to figure out what is next. I think that would lend us the moral authority to force Russia to back off.
    Moral authority's not a fallout shelter.

    Jus' sayin'.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    It was always too much to hope for that the US might mind its own ****ing business for once. But sure, if it comes to that, why not? 'Recognise' them, by all means. Not that there are a plethora of options here. In this instance, it's powerless to act.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is not a democratic vote.
    I would support the Crimean vote if Dagestan and Chechnya are given the same right to vote for their futures.

    Somehow I don't think Komrade Putin will go for that.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I think your voting is going to be a little skewed when you have Russian soldiers with guns around you. Besides, why doesn't the US just bombard various provinces in Canada with people and make them vote to join the US, one province at a time?
    Damn I like reading your posts. Keep it up. We desperately need intelligent posters interjecting logic.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Damn I like reading your posts. Keep it up. We desperately need intelligent posters interjecting logic.
    I'm an angsty 18 year old in high school. My first sentence required very little logic and my second sentence was just my humorous side more than anything. I'm going to assume that you were being genuine with that post because you liked my post. However, keep in mind that my post in this thread was probably one of the worst I've made all day.
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'm an angsty 18 year old in high school. My first sentence required very little logic and my second sentence was just my humorous side more than anything. I'm going to assume that you were being genuine with that post because you liked my post. However, keep in mind that my post in this thread was probably one of the worst I've made all day.
    Completely sincere and honest.

    Don't mistake what you feel is obvious to you as being obvious to others. The capability to perform logical thinking is a rare commodity.

    And, most times, the simplest of statements can have the most profound impact in a debate.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    If we recognize the vote to succeed from the Ukraine, it will give the green light to any country to simply peacefully invade another country with it's citizens. Could you imagine if the citizens of some of the souther states of the US voted to succeed to Mexico? And if they did, would we be outraged, or would we simply succeed our land?
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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    If they wanted to. I believe in the principle of secession.
    Secession does not work when there are specialized states utilizing comparative advantage. What if, for example, Florida wanted to secede and take NASA with it? What if Alaska wanted to secede and take it's oil reserves with it.

    Those states were developed with the help of the rest of the nation and they would not have what they do were it not for the rest of the country. For them to "take their ball and go home", when others bought the ball, is not legit.

    Crimea represents tremendous strategic importance to Ukraine. Losing that, without agreed upon compensation, is a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty.

    Why can't Ukraine take everything in Crimea, all the infrastructure, and dump all of its waste on Crimea before the secession?

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Secession does not work when there are specialized states utilizing comparative advantage. What if, for example, Florida wanted to secede and take NASA with it? What if Alaska wanted to secede and take it's oil reserves with it.

    Those states were developed with the help of the rest of the nation and they would not have what they do were it not for the rest of the country. For them to "take their ball and go home", when others bought the ball, is not legit.

    Crimea represents tremendous strategic importance to Ukraine. Losing that, without agreed upon compensation, is a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty.

    Why can't Ukraine take everything in Crimea, all the infrastructure, and dump all of its waste on Crimea before the secession?
    Ukraine doesn't need Crimea. They already have Chernobyl. It will become the West's dumping ground for highly radioactive waste iin the very near future. Corporate agenda? NO, the people want it.

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    Re: Should the U.S. recognize the Crimean vote on secession/annexation tomorrow?

    The ballot only offers seccession to independence or to join Russia. There is not a 'no' on the ballot, it is obviously a invalid ballot dreamed up by the Putin.

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