View Poll Results: Has Obama created a bigger gap between the right and left.

Voters
55. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes he has.

    22 40.00%
  • No it's the same no matter who the president is

    33 60.00%
Page 6 of 10 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 97

Thread: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

  1. #51
    Sage
    mpg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Milford, CT
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,769

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Bill Clinton had moderate policies, but his rhetoric was far more partisan and divisive. He was a far more divisive figure.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

  2. #52
    Sage
    Crosscheck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:59 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,476

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    With the advent of the internet, I think each subsequent president will be thought as the most polarising ever. I think the person in charge has little to do with the polarisation.
    We will never have the nation-president relationship we once did with an Eisenhower or Kennedy again unless another country's military attacks us.

    Whoever wins in 2016 is going to have approximately 50% of the people hating him or her and will chastise the spouse's looks and the ineptness of the freeloading children. Just when you think we couldn't scrape any lower in the barrel they turn it over and find this candidate clinging to the bottom of the barrel. . Mr Speaker. The President of the United States........................argh.

  3. #53
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Maybe it's time for the US to separate out the roles of Head of State from Head of Government, then your first family can remain above the day-to-day s***storm of government and you get rid of the possibility of gridlock and shut-down.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  4. #54
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,938
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?
    Probably the most unifying presidents in my lifetime in order had to be Eisenhower, JFK and perhaps Reagan. Reagan won over independents and he had a huge chunk of Democrats for him in his Democrats for Reagan. The most divisive, Nixon hands down, not for his first term, but for Watergate. But diehard Democrats hated Nixon ever since he fingered Alger Hiss and the Democratic Leadership had it out for him since then. LBJ ended up being very divisive, but it wasn't along party lines. It was over the war in Vietnam and he had the support of most Republicans. It was the support of a lot of his own party members he lost.

    I see some have listed Clinton, but he had the support of his party, of most independents and even after his impeachment and senate trial his approval numbers were in the mid 60's. I wouldn't call that divisive and he worked with the Republican controlled congress to get his agenda passed. The only one I think who would consider him divisive is once again the diehards of the opposition party.

    Obama, He is not up there with the Nixon of 1974 for sure. He is not there with LBJ either in 1968. But unlike Clinton, Obama never tried to work with the Republicans in the House and his refusal to even consider it probably has brought about him being looked at as being a divisive president, if not divisive, certainly polarizing. The politics of today has a lot to do with it, this divide and conquer to win elections. Turn rich against poor although the Democrats has been trying this since I can remember. But turning one race against another to the extent it has been done is something new. This idea of making one segment of our population hate another in order to get their votes is what I am referring to here. I think Obama has unified the Democratic Party, but has made the Republican party his enemy and thus united them in opposition to him. Independents are somewhere in the middle, most like the president as a person but think he has done a bad job.

    Your real successful presidents have reached across the aisle for someone to work with. IKE did this with LBJ then the senate majority leader. JFK and LBJ did the same with Everitt Dirkson then the Republican Minority Leader. Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neal relationship is stuff of legends. Even Clinton worked with Republicans in congress even though they wanted to impeach him. Obama hasn't done this, he remains above the fray. He won't go to the Republican House and say I will give you A, B, C and if you give me D, E, and F. Compromise and give and take have become dirty words today whereas that was how congress operated until him.

    Perhaps it was his huge majorities in the president's first two years that convinced him he didn't need any Republican help to accomplish what he wanted. He didn't, but the election of 2010 changed all of that, just like the election of 1994 change Clinton's outlook on congress. But Clinton made adjustments and changed strategy and actually worked across the aisle and got his hands dirty making phone calls to all lawmakers when he thought he needed to. Obama won't touch the phone and views Republicans as enemies of the state, not just the opposition political party that they are.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  5. #55
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,036

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The polarization doesn't materialize at the moment of the vote, it's there during the process leading up to the vote. What materializes during the vote is the degree of polarization. Public polls before the health care reform debate began showed that it was very low in priority - people wanted action on the economy and jobs. The decision to go with health care began the polarization. It intensified with those town hall meetings. It went into overdrive with all of the skullduggery and bribery and dirty tricks and hinky voting procedures. It went into orbit on the straight party line vote.
    I think you're confused. Health care reform was not a low priority, and in fact the economic and jobs crisis made access to reliable healthcare that much more important.


    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Polarizing ≠ enemies of the country.
    Treason/traitor = enemies of the country.

    Your definition is far outside the scope of this issue.
    I don't know what you're trying to say here. What I'm saying is polarizing is the act of certain media that regularly paint the Left as outright enemies of the country. Just turn on am radio for five minutes and you'll know what I'm referring to.

  6. #56
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,990

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    I'd wager it comes down between him and Bush, with a slight edge to Obama through no real fault of his own (ditto to Bush really).

    For polarization to happen you need strong pull on both sides. That's why I give the slight edge to Obama. In terms of hate, I think you had a similar level of antipathy and hatred on the left towards Bush as you had towards Obama on the right. However, when it comes to admiration and support, I feel there is slightly more on the left for Obama than there was for Bush on the right. There was still enough there for Bush to make it a clear race between the two, and far and away from any others in my life time...but I feel there is a larger support base for Obama than there was Bush which pushes the polarization that much further.

    However, that's just the society we live in now. I believe many things help breed a notion of polarization. Take all the pictures we see in regards to the "hate" for any president, that rile up the portions that share that hate and call to arms those that support them.

    In 1988, when Bush 41 was elected, the notion of a consumer level "digital camera" was unheard of.

    In 1992, when Clinton was elected, it was still rather unheard of. It wasn't until his 1996 re-election that a few had hit the market, like the whopping .3 megapixel Kodak D40 or Sony Cybershot F1. However the notion of putting such a thing in a phone? Blasphemy

    In 2000, with the election of Bush 43, it was still unheard of in the US for a PHONE to have a camera. It would not be till the Sanyo SCP-5300 and it’s .3 megapixel capacity capturing 640 x 480 pictures that such a dream was realized.

    5 Megapixels in a camera phone didn’t even occur until mid June 2007, in a little used (in the US) Nokia phone.

    Combine that with the rise of Social Networks. The notion of recording some nutballs at a rally and throwing it up on the internet in 1998 would’ve been difficult for the average person to pull off, poor in quality, and even then would likely see very little views. In 2004, facebook was barely beginning to make inroads with a few college aged kids and myspace was largely a youth driven venture. Twitter, and the instant notification and gratification experience it presents, didn’t really begin to significantly take off till 2008.

    The more access people have to share their views and thoughts the greater ability for others vocalize their support or disagreement. The more ability to capture and highlight polarizing actions and figures to tie them together, the more combative the situation can be.

    I think, thanks to technology, we’ve created a recipe for an ever increasing polarization to occur. Combine that with the unique situation with President Obama regarding the historical ramifications of his Presidency and the near “pop culture” type of movement that his 2008 candidacy created, and you have a situation where that polarization can be ramped even higher because of the greater width of emotions between those on the positive side and those on the negative.

  7. #57
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    2,942

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not by a long shot and those that continue this mantra along with "our country has never been more divided since the civil war" are simply incorrect and ignorant of history.

    I often find one of many Conservatives biggest issues is putting things in proper context.
    That's funny. I often find one of Obama's biggest issues is putting things in proper context.

  8. #58
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,671

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    He's not polarizing because of anything he's done. The right-wingers have ramped up the hate train to unprecedented levels. It started before the Obama was even sworn into office.
    Bingo!

    I think Obama has gone out of his way to be accomodating on many fronts. But there is only so much one can do before they just throw up their arms and tell the hater's to all go get ****ed.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  9. #59
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Theoretical Physics Lab
    Last Seen
    01-06-15 @ 11:06 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    25,120

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    It's a worthwhile argument between him and Bush. I think the only reason he's above Bush is because of the unearned Nobel Prize he got while the ballot ink was still wet. That really set the ball rolling in many ways.

  10. #60
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,671

    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Bill Clinton had moderate policies, but his rhetoric was far more partisan and divisive. He was a far more divisive figure.
    I seem to remember most of the viotrol and divisiveness, back in the Clinton era, coming from the Gengrich camp. You know, the Ken Starr witch hunt? Remember?

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

Page 6 of 10 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •