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Thread: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Obama is spiritually and Biblically challenged.

    Obama - America's Most Biblically Hostile U.S. President

    Obama – America
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is/was a socialist when he ran for early office under a socialist party banner.
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a terrorist sympathizer when he is as thick as thieves with a convicted terrorist.
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a closet Islamic radical when he instructs the director of NASA that his primary mission is to make Muslims in the ME feel good about themselves.


    Thick as theives with a convicted terrorist.

    I'm sure you're talking about Bill Ayres, the 1960s radical. I'm not going to defend Ayres but by the time Obama met him he was treated as a community leader in the City of Chicago, was apponited by the mayor's office to serve on a commision to improve the public schools and was awarded the recognition of Citizen of The Year. Obama cannot change history and in life we encounter people who have done and said things with which we disagree. You take the same standard the pundits applied to Obama in 2008 and most of us would have to quit our jobs based on the pasts of our co-workers and most Presidents in recent history should have never been elected.

    Instructs the director of NASA that his primary mission is to make Muslims in the ME feel good about themselves.

    President Obama obviously understands the complexities of the War on Terror better than most right-wing pundits. In my limited study of Middle-Eastern perceptions in the wake of 9-11, I learned that the concept of "honor" is huge in their culture and likely contributed to the factors that motivated the 9-11 terrorist attacts. We have to share the planet with the culture that producted the 9-11 terrorist attacks and for the time being benefit from them having as friendly as possible attitudes toward us. I have no way of knowing for certain but based on what I've learned about the Middle-East, Obama's diretive to the NASA administrator to stroke the egos of the Middle-East is all about creative diplomacy with a people who think the War on Terror is code for War on Islam. Of that people many are likely to feel complled to "defend of honor of Islam" by flying passenger jets into American office buildings. Stroking the egos of people who are willing to die and kill Americans over pride doesn't mean the President of the United States of America is a closet Muslim extremist. It simply means he has an overall stategy to defend and protect the American people while we work to lessen our dependency on fossil fuel.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is/was a socialist when he ran for early office under a socialist party banner.
    Which he didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a terrorist sympathizer when he is as thick as thieves with a convicted terrorist.
    Which he isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a closet Islamic radical when he instructs the director of NASA that his primary mission is to make Muslims in the ME feel good about themselves.
    Which he didn't.

    Maybe if you didn't uncritically except such utter horse****, you wouldn't be so painfully misinformed.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Thick as theives with a convicted terrorist.
    Look, the honorable thing for you to do is to acknowledge that there is a reasonable basis for the critics' complaints. Instead you try to obfuscate away the charges.

    If Mitt Romney was palsy walsy with former KKK Grand Dragon David Dukes anyone who tried to erase away or explain away the connection would be doing what you're doing and you wouldn't buy into that snake oil effort for a second.

    The people who criticize Obama for his ugly past are not out of line - there are grounds for those criticisms. You have every right to disagree with the judgments reached, with the severity of the judgments, but to pretend that they're groundless is astonishing.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No.
    Obama is a right wing moderate. The people that caused the polarization were idiots like this

    Agreed. I'm not an Obama fan by any means, but calling him a socialist is quite ignorant. The population at large has no idea what socialism actually is.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Look, the honorable thing for you to do is to acknowledge that there is a reasonable basis for the critics' complaints. Instead you try to obfuscate away the charges.

    If Mitt Romney was palsy walsy with former KKK Grand Dragon David Dukes anyone who tried to erase away or explain away the connection would be doing what you're doing and you wouldn't buy into that snake oil effort for a second.

    The people who criticize Obama for his ugly past are not out of line - there are grounds for those criticisms. You have every right to disagree with the judgments reached, with the severity of the judgments, but to pretend that they're groundless is astonishing.
    They're not criticizing Obama for HIS ugly past, the Ayers controversy was an attempt to criticize Obama for the ugly past of a co-worker. We can do the guilt by association thing but a lot of people get included who I'm sure the pundits would rather not judge by that standard.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Agreed. I'm not an Obama fan by any means, but calling him a socialist is quite ignorant. The population at large has no idea what socialism actually is.
    By your standard then, calling a dog a dog and a cat a cat also qualify as quite ignorant statements:

    On the evening of January 11, 1996, while Mitt Romney was in the final years of his run as the head of Bain Capital, Barack Obama formally joined the New Party, which was deeply hostile to the mainstream of the Democratic party and even to American capitalism. . .

    Minutes of the meeting
    on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:

    Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

    Consistent with this, a roster of the Chicago chapter of the New Party from early 1997 lists Obama as a member, with January 11, 1996, indicated as the date he joined.

    Here we have two pieces of documentary evidence which clearly show his membership. This isn't a "he said this, no I didn't" type of charge.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    I said no. GWB was pretty polarizing also. Much of the perceived polarization stems from the organization of the right, 24 hour news channels, and the internet. These new tools allow both sides to ratchet up the drumbeat of propaganda and the right in particular has been effective at it since 2000. Even going back to the republicans killing the McCain presidential campaign in S. Carolina, they will eat their own (that was a shameful performance, never pinned on the RNC, but clearly the repub machine wanted GWB and not McCain). Media allows the propaganda to reach an elevated level.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I live in one of the reddest of the red states, and I can honestly say that I have never seen anything like that.

    I would occasionally see "impeach Bush" graffiti when he was still in office, however
    yeah, it was weird. I tend to think some people just wait around for something to direct their pre-existing rage at.

    I saw a lot of disgust and frustration, even anger at Bush and Clinton but not like this.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?
    The answer to your question is yes, but only to those born since November 2008.
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