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Thread: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I know people will get their panties in a twist over this comment but I think you are right. Last week my partner was at the grocery story near our home and some man in line behind him starting going off about Obama. This began over a comment about there not being enough registers open. The guy started complaining about that and somehow it was Obamas fault. Then I was at the same store by myself and a woman was charged tax on an energy drink and she got all enraged about it and blamed it on Obama. I'm standing there thinking WTF is going on? I have never seen anything like this towards a President and it's so completely disconnected from reality that it is hard not to think that, for people like that anyway, something else is at play for them.
    I live in one of the reddest of the red states, and I can honestly say that I have never seen anything like that.

    I would occasionally see "impeach Bush" graffiti when he was still in office, however

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think you're confusing cause and effect. Are bills that polarize passed on party lines, or are they passed on party lines because our government is polarized?
    The polarization doesn't materialize at the moment of the vote, it's there during the process leading up to the vote. What materializes during the vote is the degree of polarization. Public polls before the health care reform debate began showed that it was very low in priority - people wanted action on the economy and jobs. The decision to go with health care began the polarization. It intensified with those town hall meetings. It went into overdrive with all of the skullduggery and bribery and dirty tricks and hinky voting procedures. It went into orbit on the straight party line vote.

    Eisenhower sending troops down to Little Rock was polarizing but not to the degree of Obama's actions - Ike had support across party lines, Ike wasn't imposing government presence into EVERYONE's lives. Look at the Hobby Lobby case, the nuns who are suing - this is draconian stuff.

    It's extreme but it's not treasonous.
    Polarizing ≠ enemies of the country.
    Treason/traitor = enemies of the country.

    Your definition is far outside the scope of this issue.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Well, I really didn't pay attention to the political situation before Obama became president so I couldn't say.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?
    of course not, bringing people together is actually what got him elected twice.


    Now him being elected has made some cry babies cry even louder and cry babies are what gets covered in the news no matter how they identify themselves

    but the fact is, percentage wise, he got more moderates/independents and conservatives/republicans to vote for him more so than any other democratic president for the last 30 years


    he makes the NUTBALLS extra mentally retarded and crazy but normal people are about the same and more together
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    No.
    Obama is a right wing moderate. The people that caused the polarization were idiots like this



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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    With the advent of the internet, I think each subsequent president will be thought as the most polarising ever. I think the person in charge has little to do with the polarisation.
    I agree with this.... too many people get their news from political porn sites: Internet based news designed to pitch you exclusively on the ills of the other party; designed to titillate your ears with things that play upon your worst fears with half-facts and half-truths all to get your blood pressure up. Too many tend to shop for their news based upon what they want to hear or based on finding news that just reinforces their beliefs.

    It seems fewer and fewer people actually challenge themselves intellectually by researching issues independently. You see it here. People, on both sides of an issue seem to simply reiterate things they hear on political porn sites. Rarely to you see a post with a "I didn't know that" or "thanks for the information; I see it differently". More often than not you see posts that support positions based upon articles or links to political porn sites. Even the evidence, in those rare cases here where people actually post such, is tainted. You would expect people on this site to want to learn, but no we just get polarizing shout downs with the lines clearly drawn and rarely crossed.

    In the old days of news, you had but few options and those options tried to play things down the middle. There once was a commitment to journalistic integrity. Journalists in the pre-Internet (and pre-cable) era did not try to make the news or have 4 hours of prime-time editoralizing... they reported the news. Now, its easy to opinion shop: just hear what you want to hear. The Internet CAN be a powerful source of information OR a powerful reinforcer of prejudice. Far too many use it for the latter.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No.
    Obama is a right wing moderate. The people that caused the polarization were idiots like this

    I disagree. The polarization was caused by the pundits idiots like these are controled by.

    I also wouldn't call President Obama a moderate or right-wing. The one thing I can hopefully say I maintain is my credibility, something nearly all of the right-wing pundits have decided to flush down the toilet in the interest alarmism, political tribalism and polarization. Obama is in fact a liberal on most issues but there have been other liberals in government before. At the same time his policies do tend to remind me most of Presidents W. Bush and Reagan.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    In my politically conscious lifetime every President going back to Nixon... possibly excepting Ford... was polarizing in their own way. With the exception of the Nixon pardon, I don't recall anything controversial regarding Ford's tenure in office.

    Much of the polarization for any President is simply the nature of politics and the office. Whomever is in office, the other party feels obligated to thwart them and be contrarian. But, if you think about it, this is how we have it set up and how we want it. No candidate or party gets elected by agreeing with the incumbent or opposition. They get elected by convincing the voting populace that the person and/or party in office right now is evil incarnate and our last desperate hope is to elect them as a replacement.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    People, on both sides of an issue seem to simply reiterate things they hear on political porn sites. Rarely to you see a post with a "I didn't know that" or "thanks for the information; I see it differently". More often than not you see posts that support positions based upon articles or links to political porn sites. Even the evidence, in those rare cases here where people actually post such, is tainted. You would expect people on this site to want to learn, but no we just get polarizing shout downs with the lines clearly drawn and rarely crossed.
    Let me guess, this doesn't describe you.

    I agree with you to a point. Yes, there is lots of linking to biased sources. The problem is that there are few unbiased sources available, so there really isn't a solution available to fix this problem.

    The problem that develops is when posters on a debate board feel that a link or copy/paste is all that is needed to make their argument. Those who go beyond a copy/paste and make a case for a position neutralize your criticism for now you can engage with them on the basis of ideas and arguments rather than bashing each other with appeals to favored authorities.

    In the old days of news, you had but few options and those options tried to play things down the middle.
    What alternate universe did you just pop in from? Those old Cronkite days were plenty bad in terms of biased reporting, it's just that they had a stranglehold and so their liberal bias looked like it was middle of the road. Test this yourself. Find some polarizing event. Say the 1964 Civil Rights Act passage. Can you find Cronkite or Brinkley or Huntley talking about how nasty and awful and disgraceful the passage of this legislation was while also acknowledging how great, inspiring and hopeful the new reality was? I've never heard of any reports like that - maybe some folks who lived through that era could recount their memories of how that news played out on TV.

    There once was a commitment to journalistic integrity. Journalists in the pre-Internet (and pre-cable) era did not try to make the news or have 4 hours of prime-time editoralizing... they reported the news.
    This I agree with. Their bias was far more subtle. They exercised it by lies of omission. They'd shape their stories to comport with their liberal bias but wouldn't interject themselves into the news. That was certainly preferable to the current modus operandi of journalism.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?
    It has nothing to do with Obama himself. It's just partisan politics as usual. He has a (D) next to his name so thus he is infallible to the left and a communist, fascist, baby-eater to the right.

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