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Thread: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    He's not polarizing because of anything he's done. The right-wingers have ramped up the hate train to unprecedented levels. It started before the Obama was even sworn into office.
    You don't think attacking the Republicans in every speech he makes is polarizing? He is supposed to the the President to everybody but he has never been more than the leader of his party.

    Has any other President in history attacked the other side as consistantly as this president has done? It doesn't even matter the subject of the speech, he attacks the enemy.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Obama is, without a doubt, the most polarizing President of my lifetime.

    Look at what he did with ObamaCare - all previous social welfare schemes (SS & Medicare and the lesser ones) received bipartisan support. ObamaCare was passed strictly on Democratic votes. All of those town hall meetings which showcased the protests - nothing like that was evident in the past.

    Bush doesn't even come close - his big black mark was the Iraq War and plenty of Democrats voted for that.

    In terms of polarization, Obama is in a class of his own.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?
    I think that during the Obama Administartion we have seen the greatest level of pollarization between the left and right in my lifetime. However I attribute this polarization not to President Obama but rather the polarizing actions of those who set the tone of the right-wing culture such as talk radio, bloggers, pundits, etc. They have convenced their trusting followers that the President of the United States is a socialist/marxist/communist, terrorist sympathizer, closet Islamic radical, black nationalist who hates white people and is a constitutionally ineligible fraud who was actually born in Kenya. If tens of millions of people actually believe all that, its understandable that there will be unpresidented polarization, none of which is the President's fault. Bring it up and you get accused of either using the race card, saying the President cannot be disagreed with on "policy" just because he's black (or half black,) democrats do the same thing or the exponentially greater level of influence the extremists on the right is dishonstly dismissed as be equvalent to that of extremists on the left.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think that during the Obama Administartion we have seen the greatest level of pollarization between the left and right in my lifetime. However I attribute this polarization not to President Obama but rather the polarizing actions of those who set the tone of the right-wing culture such as talk radio, bloggers, pundits, etc. They have convenced their trusting followers that the President of the United States is a socialist/marxist/communist, terrorist sympathizer, closet Islamic radical, black nationalist who hates white people and is a constitutionally ineligible fraud who was actually born in Kenya. If tens of millions of people actually believe all that, its understandable that there will be unpresidented polarization, none of which is the President's fault. Bring it up and you get accused of either using the race card, saying the President cannot be disagreed with on "policy," democrats do the same thing or the exponentially greater level of influence the extremists on the right is dishonstly dismissed as be equvalent to that of extremists on the left.
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is/was a socialist when he ran for early office under a socialist party banner.
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a terrorist sympathizer when he is as thick as thieves with a convicted terrorist.
    -It's easy to convince people that Obama is a closet Islamic radical when he instructs the director of NASA that his primary mission is to make Muslims in the ME feel good about themselves.


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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I said Yes....but not because of anything he has done, it is because of who he is.

    It seems the extreme partisanship is directed at Obama himself, as a person, rather than the party.

    I do not know if this is due to the color of his skin or whatever....but this began pretty much the day he was elected and has snowballed ever since. I have never seen such disrespect for our President or this level of spite, it's rather disgusting and pathetic to see.

    I distinctly remember defending W when he was unfairly attacked by the Dems...the onslaught toward Obama is so far beyond that as to be ridiculous.
    I know people will get their panties in a twist over this comment but I think you are right. Last week my partner was at the grocery story near our home and some man in line behind him starting going off about Obama. This began over a comment about there not being enough registers open. The guy started complaining about that and somehow it was Obamas fault. Then I was at the same store by myself and a woman was charged tax on an energy drink and she got all enraged about it and blamed it on Obama. I'm standing there thinking WTF is going on? I have never seen anything like this towards a President and it's so completely disconnected from reality that it is hard not to think that, for people like that anyway, something else is at play for them.
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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Obama is, without a doubt, the most polarizing President of my lifetime.

    Look at what he did with ObamaCare - all previous social welfare schemes (SS & Medicare and the lesser ones) received bipartisan support. ObamaCare was passed strictly on Democratic votes. All of those town hall meetings which showcased the protests - nothing like that was evident in the past.

    Bush doesn't even come close - his big black mark was the Iraq War and plenty of Democrats voted for that.

    In terms of polarization, Obama is in a class of his own.
    There are certain things you have to put outside of "polarization," else everything would fall under that umbrella. 1)Accusing the other party of being at fault for a key piece of legislation passing or not passing, or the other party for having a solution that's bad. That sort of partisan bickering is eternal -- it's not going anywhere. 2)One party passing a piece of legislation that the other side disapproves of. Really? Cause if that's "polarizing" then, once more, your problem is not with polarization but with the party that you don't belong to being in power.

    In order to fit under polarizing, I think you have to focus on deliberate attempts to paint the other party not just as wrong minded, but as deliberately so, as I said before, enemies of the country.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are certain things you have to put outside of "polarization," else everything would fall under that umbrella. 1)Accusing the other party of being at fault for a key piece of legislation passing or not passing, or the other party for having a solution that's bad. That sort of partisan bickering is eternal -- it's not going anywhere.
    Passing legislation declaring March 15, 2014 to be "Celebrate Honey Bee Day" and passing legislation which puts 1/6th of the US economy under government control and strips people of choices in their medical care are not simply different in degree, they're very different in kind and effect.

    Your attempt to disqualify pertinent criticism fails. Look back on how Medicare was passed under Johnson, look back on the Civil Rights Act. Were these passed on straight party-line votes?

    In order to fit under polarizing, I think you have to focus on deliberate attempts to paint the other party not just as wrong minded, but as deliberately so, as I said before, enemies of the country.
    This is a nonsensical formulation that you have to float in order to make your prior point defensible.

    What you're describing is not polarizing, it's treasonous.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Passing legislation declaring March 15, 2014 to be "Celebrate Honey Bee Day" and passing legislation which puts 1/6th of the US economy under government control and strips people of choices in their medical care are not simply different in degree, they're very different in kind and effect.

    Your attempt to disqualify pertinent criticism fails. Look back on how Medicare was passed under Johnson, look back on the Civil Rights Act. Were these passed on straight party-line votes?
    I think you're confusing cause and effect. Are bills that polarize passed on party lines, or are they passed on party lines because our government is polarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is a nonsensical formulation that you have to float in order to make your prior point defensible.

    What you're describing is not polarizing, it's treasonous.
    It's extreme but it's not treasonous. Also remember that I included Obama's "guns and bible" quote as polarizing, because rather than acting as representative of the whole country, he outright dismissed at least 30% of the country as altogether irrelevant and foolish. As Bush II did with his "you're either with us or against us", or Romney did with his 47% remark.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    Barack Obama is the first president in my lifetime that I can recall who wantonly stuck a wedge in the economic divide and also blatantly took a stand on only one side of race issues. While other presidents have been divisive when it comes to party issues Obama has been divisive on issues of basic American values.

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    Re: Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

    *sigh* What is it with people and these poorly stated polls?

    It should be:
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    No (one or more Presidents were worse before him)
    It's the same no matter who is President

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