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    Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Should we legalize marijuana or keep it banned?

    I do not support the use of drugs in any way, however I do not think they should be illegal either. Here are five reasons drugs should be legalized:

    It would cause the crime rate to drop:
    When something is illegal, the prices for that certain good is ten times more expensive because it is dangerous to sell those goods. When drug addicts can not finance their addictions anymore they resort to crime to get money, so that they can afford those drugs. In a 2 1/2-year study of Detroit crime, Lester P. Silverman, former associate director of the National Academy of Sciences' Assembly of Behavior and Social Sciences, found that a 10 percent increase in the price of heroin alone "produced an increase of 3.1 percent total property crimes in poor nonwhite neighborhoods." Armed robbery jumped 6.4 percent and simple assault by 5.6 percent throughout the city. If drugs were to be decriminalized, the price of drugs would go down because it would be safer to sell them...with the price drop, it would be more affordable and less people would have to resort to criminal activity to afford it.

    It would practically eliminate the prison overcrowding problem:
    According to the Justice Policy Institute: "The United States leads the world in the number of people incarcerated in federal and state correctional facilities. There are currently more than 5 million people in American prisons or jails. Approximately one-quarter of those people held in U.S. prisons or jails have been convicted of a drug offense. The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses than any other country. With an estimated 6.8 million Americans struggling with drug abuse or dependence, the growth of the prison population continues to be driven largely by incarceration for drug offenses." It's no wonder we have a prison overcrowding problem, we have more nonviolent offenders then we do violent offenders! If we decriminalize drugs, we could completely eliminate our prison overcrowding problem.

    It would save tax money:
    Billions of our tax dollars go into fighting the drug war. If we decriminalize drugs, that's all the more money we would save which would help reduce the deficit. It would also save more money to go towards prosecuting violent offenders. It's a waste of police resources to have SWAT teams busting down doors to arrest people for smoking a plant.

    It would cripple organized crime:
    The gangs of the country stand to lose billions in drug profits from legalization. The underworld became big business in the United States when alcohol was prohibited. Few others would risk setting up the illegal distribution networks, bribing officials or killing a policeman or competitor once in a while. When alcohol was re-legalized, manufacturers resumed production. The risk of getting caught and the high profits disappeared from the alcohol trade. Without the risk of alcohol smuggling, many organized gangs disappeared off the radar and crime went down exponentially. We can stand to learn a thing or two from the prohibition. It isn't so different from our current "War On Drugs".

    It would shrink the size of government:
    The War On Drugs is giving an incredible amount of power to police and federal agents. In an effort to keep drug crime down, police often pull random people over to check them for drugs. Entire federal agencies were even created specifically to keep drug use down. If we were to decriminalize drugs, several federal agencies would disappear and many powers given to police and federal agents would disappear. Also, it would get the government out of one more thing! It's not the government's business what you put in your body, and it only gives them more power over you if they are able to control that. I do not endorse the use of drugs, and I know the harmful effects, but I believe people should have a choice. The use of drugs really only harms the person smoking the drug. If we allow the government to use force and coercion to determine what we can put in our body, we are essentially allowing the government to claim our bodies. Also, if we allow the government to control what we put in our body...where is the line drawn? Soda is pretty unhealthy. The chemical aspartame has been proven to be one of the most dangerous chemicals put in any food or drink. Maybe we should ban sodas. Fast food is pretty unhealthy. Perhaps we should ban that too. Cigarettes are as well. Alcohol too. Where is the line drawn? Allowing the government to make health decisions for us is a very slippery slope. We could start a trend of the government making all personal decisions for us, which is already starting to happen. If we aren't free to make bad decisions, are we really free?

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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Your poll refers to marijuana only, not all recreational drug use, but your arguments are not marijuana specific. By not legalizing all recreational drug use most (if not all) of your arguments fail.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Hasn't this question been asked and answered about a billion times now?

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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your poll refers to marijuana only, not all recreational drug use, but your arguments are not marijuana specific. By not legalizing all recreational drug use most (if not all) of your arguments fail.
    I'm a bit lost with what you're trying to say. Are you saying that his arguments aren't good arguments if he doesn't support the legalization of the recreational use of other drugs?
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your poll refers to marijuana only, not all recreational drug use, but your arguments are not marijuana specific. By not legalizing all recreational drug use most (if not all) of your arguments fail.
    I do support the legalization of all recreational drug use, however marijuana is arguably the subject of the most debate at this time so that's why I made the thread specific to marijuana.

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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Should we legalize marijuana or keep it banned?

    I do not support the use of drugs in any way, however I do not think they should be illegal either. Here are five reasons drugs should be legalized:

    [Thoughts? Opinions? Questions? Concerns?
    Do you support the use of alcoholic beverages, and do you support the use of prescription narcotics? I think these two questions need to be seriously considered in any question regarding the banning or legalization of marijuana. A case could pretty easily be made that marijuana is less harmful overall and over the long run, than either booze or prescription narcotics as a whole, and we have large number of people imprisoned for pot, which isn't even associated with violent behavior- just people taking up space in our prisons, (which are already overcrowded), for getting high, just as you and I have a cocktail to take the edge off, after a stressful day.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'm a bit lost with what you're trying to say. Are you saying that his arguments aren't good arguments if he doesn't support the legalization of the recreational use of other drugs?
    Yes. The argument is similar to saying that legalizing only 3.2% beer, yet keeping all "harder" drinks illegal would be a realistic option. Note that the very first OP argument is heroin specific - since marijuana is easy to grow in many climates and requires no processing it is doubtful that its cost to produce (or obtain) is an issue. The same is true of the second argument since it makes no mention of the specific drug involved - the percentage of "drug offenders" that involved only marijuana is never mentioned. The likely outcome is neither complete legalization nor a complete ban but some compromise like taxation and heavy regulation - just as we now "enjoy" with alcohol.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes. The argument is similar to saying that legalizing only 3.2% beer, yet keeping all "harder" drinks illegal would be a realistic option. Note that the very first OP argument is heroin specific - since marijuana is easy to grow in many climates and requires no processing it is doubtful that its cost to produce (or obtain) is an issue. The same is true of the second argument since it makes no mention of the specific drug involved - the percentage of "drug offenders" that involved only marijuana is never mentioned. The likely outcome is neither complete legalization nor a complete ban but some compromise like taxation and heavy regulation - just as we now "enjoy" with alcohol.
    Alright, thanks for the clarification. However, I'm a bit hesitant to say circumstances for marijuana is the same for all drugs. For example, look at how rohypnol (Also known as "roofies", I probably misspelled it) is used compared to marijuana. While marijuana is often used for personal recreation, rohypnol is used more often than not to help engage yourself in a "date rape" situation by slipping it into the victim's drink without their knowledge. Sure, more liberty is generally a good thing, but there's certainly more "negative" liberty to come from legalizing a drug like rohypnol than "positive" liberties.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm for marijuana legalization, but I'm hesitant to say the effects of marijuana legalization are the same for all drugs.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I do support the legalization of all recreational drug use, however marijuana is arguably the subject of the most debate at this time so that's why I made the thread specific to marijuana.
    Then the appropriate poll question would be "Any personal recreational drug use - legalize or ban?". There are many that favor different restrictions on beer than distilled liquor even though both are "legal". There is much middle ground such as with prescription use only for drugs or allowing the OTC "licensed dealer" sales but no unlicensed or vending machine sales. Even now we have dry counties, heavily restricted sales, hundreds of regulations, may not be used "in public" and age restrictions for alcohol.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Legalize it, and coke, and meth, and crack. Make it total personal responsibility to use and or become addicted to. Let society sort it out. One round at a time.

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