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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Re-read what I posted. I specifically said OTC.

    For the record, we do have "medical marijuana" in the form of THC as Marinol being a prescribed medication. There is a difference between providing a drug for medical care and making a drug OTC for the purpose of being abused (with it not being a treatment for something but existing as an agent to get high). If you are arguing for the legalization of cannabis as a plant for medical use that's one thing. But decriminalizing it and making it OTC is another.
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    Got to love a world where a synthetic version of a substance replaces one that is easily and readily attained naturally. But then again a drug company could not really profit off from natural THC, or related cannabinoids which would be able to be purified and processed to pharmaceutical standard with ease, and at a fraction of the cost.

    I love when Marinol gets touted as the universal answer to medical marijuana, when there are over 60 cannabinoids that have been isolated from cannabis. THC is but one of a whole class of substances in the understudied cannabinoid family.

    Little is known about which cannabinoids have which specific medical benefits, so they release a synthetic version THC as a generic panacea to say "see we are not overlooking its medical value", while overlooking a whole myriad of potential uses for the entire class substances, many of which are non intoxicating.

    Being pure THC (even synthetic) marinol is good at one thing, getting the user very high; unfortunately most users report that cannabis itself is much better at alleviating their nausea, and promoting appetite without such a complete and overwhelming stoned feeling from pure THC.

    So, no Marinol is not the cure all for the problem as it is being touted, rather exploring what it is specifically in the whole class of cannabinoid drugs, and which ones specifically have which benefits is. Doing this could very well result in finding a much better solution (processed from natural cannabinoids working in tandem) that can be tailored to have the desired results, while minimizing on the intoxication effects that result from THC alone.

    Medical marijuana patients often tailor the strain of cannabis they use to maximize the desired combination of cannabinoids. Different strains and different ratios of THC to other cannabinoids produce different effects, and even different intoxications, some more beneficial than others for a specific user or problem, and this does not necessarily equate to maximizing THC content and the associated intoxication.

    Marinol -clocking in at 100% THC (synthetic)-, most certainly does maximize THC content, and as such is not what the doctor ordered for many medical marijuana recipients, so no, Marinol is not a viable alternative for many.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Ok, so we make all these drugs legal. The price will come down and more people will be able to afford it. Can you imagine how full the hospitals will be with overdoses and addicts who just don't know when to stop? The price will be reasonable so they will be able to get high more often. If you think the healthcare system is over whelmed now, just go ahead and legalize herion, meth, cocaine, marijuana etc.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Ok, so we make all these drugs legal. The price will come down and more people will be able to afford it. Can you imagine how full the hospitals will be with overdoses and addicts who just don't know when to stop? The price will be reasonable so they will be able to get high more often. If you think the healthcare system is over whelmed now, just go ahead and legalize herion, meth, cocaine, marijuana etc.
    Legalization of marijuana, and the legalization of other drugs are separate issues.

    Now, you can't overdose on marijuana, it is not physically addictive, and the high it produces doesn't make people go crazy and go commit crimes. There are also no negative health consequences that can't be associated with other legal substances.

    There is no reason for marijuana to be illegal.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Ok, so we make all these drugs legal. The price will come down and more people will be able to afford it. Can you imagine how full the hospitals will be with overdoses and addicts who just don't know when to stop? The price will be reasonable so they will be able to get high more often. If you think the healthcare system is over whelmed now, just go ahead and legalize herion, meth, cocaine, marijuana etc.
    Highly Doubtful. It's not as if the population is going to become ignorant of the dangers of heroin, meth, and cocaine if it was legalized and just start buying it in huge numbers and any harm that comes with marijuana is not enough to land you in the hospital.

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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    There is no reason for marijuana to be illegal.
    And also not alot of good reasons to legalize it. Personally, I dont care if say, Colorado legalizes it. In fact, I wish my state would give people arrested several times for possession of marijuana the following benefits:

    -A get out of jail free card
    -free bus passes to Colorado
    -vouchers for three months of free apartment rent

    Colorado could then reap the benefits of having new consumers for their product.

    At the end of the day, I think the costs to Colorado from becoming a drug tourism destination are going to out weigh the benefits.

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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Should we legalize marijuana or keep it banned?

    I do not support the use of drugs in any way, however I do not think they should be illegal either. Here are five reasons drugs should be legalized:

    It would cause the crime rate to drop:
    When something is illegal, the prices for that certain good is ten times more expensive because it is dangerous to sell those goods. When drug addicts can not finance their addictions anymore they resort to crime to get money, so that they can afford those drugs. In a 2 1/2-year study of Detroit crime, Lester P. Silverman, former associate director of the National Academy of Sciences' Assembly of Behavior and Social Sciences, found that a 10 percent increase in the price of heroin alone "produced an increase of 3.1 percent total property crimes in poor nonwhite neighborhoods." Armed robbery jumped 6.4 percent and simple assault by 5.6 percent throughout the city. If drugs were to be decriminalized, the price of drugs would go down because it would be safer to sell them...with the price drop, it would be more affordable and less people would have to resort to criminal activity to afford it.

    It would practically eliminate the prison overcrowding problem:
    According to the Justice Policy Institute: "The United States leads the world in the number of people incarcerated in federal and state correctional facilities. There are currently more than 5 million people in American prisons or jails. Approximately one-quarter of those people held in U.S. prisons or jails have been convicted of a drug offense. The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses than any other country. With an estimated 6.8 million Americans struggling with drug abuse or dependence, the growth of the prison population continues to be driven largely by incarceration for drug offenses." It's no wonder we have a prison overcrowding problem, we have more nonviolent offenders then we do violent offenders! If we decriminalize drugs, we could completely eliminate our prison overcrowding problem.

    It would save tax money:
    Billions of our tax dollars go into fighting the drug war. If we decriminalize drugs, that's all the more money we would save which would help reduce the deficit. It would also save more money to go towards prosecuting violent offenders. It's a waste of police resources to have SWAT teams busting down doors to arrest people for smoking a plant.

    It would cripple organized crime:
    The gangs of the country stand to lose billions in drug profits from legalization. The underworld became big business in the United States when alcohol was prohibited. Few others would risk setting up the illegal distribution networks, bribing officials or killing a policeman or competitor once in a while. When alcohol was re-legalized, manufacturers resumed production. The risk of getting caught and the high profits disappeared from the alcohol trade. Without the risk of alcohol smuggling, many organized gangs disappeared off the radar and crime went down exponentially. We can stand to learn a thing or two from the prohibition. It isn't so different from our current "War On Drugs".

    It would shrink the size of government:
    The War On Drugs is giving an incredible amount of power to police and federal agents. In an effort to keep drug crime down, police often pull random people over to check them for drugs. Entire federal agencies were even created specifically to keep drug use down. If we were to decriminalize drugs, several federal agencies would disappear and many powers given to police and federal agents would disappear. Also, it would get the government out of one more thing! It's not the government's business what you put in your body, and it only gives them more power over you if they are able to control that. I do not endorse the use of drugs, and I know the harmful effects, but I believe people should have a choice. The use of drugs really only harms the person smoking the drug. If we allow the government to use force and coercion to determine what we can put in our body, we are essentially allowing the government to claim our bodies. Also, if we allow the government to control what we put in our body...where is the line drawn? Soda is pretty unhealthy. The chemical aspartame has been proven to be one of the most dangerous chemicals put in any food or drink. Maybe we should ban sodas. Fast food is pretty unhealthy. Perhaps we should ban that too. Cigarettes are as well. Alcohol too. Where is the line drawn? Allowing the government to make health decisions for us is a very slippery slope. We could start a trend of the government making all personal decisions for us, which is already starting to happen. If we aren't free to make bad decisions, are we really free?

    Thoughts? Opinions? Questions? Concerns?
    Yes...I have thoughts, opinions and concerns.

    1. I voted to legalize marijuana...just as I voted for it when it came up for election here in Colorado.

    2. But...you don't specify who you are talking about in your question. Legalize by whom? The federal government? The State governments?

    3. I don't think marijuana should be legalized by the federal government and I don't think it should be made illegal by the federal government. I think the federal government should keep its nose out of the question and let the States decide for themselves.

    4. Others have mentioned this...but I'll repeat it: Your poll question concerns marijuana, but your post seems not to be specific for marijuana, but appears to refer to all drugs...especially your point about prison populations and drug related crimes. You clarified later that you support the legalization of all recreational drugs. I thank you for that clarification.

    5. I tend to agree with you about recreational drugs, but I draw the line at highly, physically addictive drugs. I think there should be a measure of control over such substances...whether from the State level or the federal level.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And also not alot of good reasons to legalize it. Personally, I dont care if say, Colorado legalizes it. In fact, I wish my state would give people arrested several times for possession of marijuana the following benefits:

    -A get out of jail free card
    -free bus passes to Colorado
    -vouchers for three months of free apartment rent

    Colorado could then reap the benefits of having new consumers for their product.

    At the end of the day, I think the costs to Colorado from becoming a drug tourism destination are going to out weigh the benefits.
    No, there are a lot of good reasons to legalize it. We stop spending so much money on arresting, prosecuting, and jailing non-violent marijuana users, for one; it will likely reduce violence and crime related to the drug trade; we'll also reap the tax benefits. It's a win on multiple levels.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Highly Doubtful. It's not as if the population is going to become ignorant of the dangers of heroin, meth, and cocaine if it was legalized and just start buying it in huge numbers and any harm that comes with marijuana is not enough to land you in the hospital.
    The harm that comes from marijuana is enough to ruin your life. And the other hard drugs will be killing more people if it becomes cheaper and easier to buy.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, there are a lot of good reasons to legalize it. We stop spending so much money on arresting, prosecuting, and jailing non-violent marijuana users, for one; it will likely reduce violence and crime related to the drug trade; we'll also reap the tax benefits. It's a win on multiple levels.
    Marijuana is often a "gateway" drug to the harder stuff. For that reason alone it shouldn't be legalized.
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    Re: Marijuana: Legalize or Ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    List those side effects using a medical source and a paper contrasting them to cannabis.

    Natural =/= best or even good. Does having it made in a lab make it bad? THC may be therapeutic, marinol is essentially synthetic THC to be delivered in a specific dosage form to treat illness.

    And yes, someone taking a prescription pain reliever is doing so as treatment under supervision of a healthcare provider. Someone who is using it illicitly for a high is abusing the medication. There is a reason why we have our medical model in place and why patients cannot legally self treat. You aren't entitled to go to a pharmacy and just buy the medications for blood pressure, insomnia, cholesterol, or anything else you might want. The state deems that as a public health issue and that such conditions need to be diagnosed and therapy planned in accordance with healthcare providers. You are making straw man arguments by comparing scheduled narcotics for pain with OTC heartburn meds that aren't commonly abused or produce a high. The qualifier is that abusing drugs is illegal as it is a harm to society and public health. Certain medications are also only allowed to be accessed via a prescription and dispensed by a pharmacy. They aren't all equal.
    One of the many things I think is sincerely ****ed up about your beliefs is that you're in school to be a doctor, are you not? You essentially just told me you should have the power to play god. The only difference between a horrible criminal that should be locked in a cage and have his life ruined and a patient being treated is your "blessing".

    You were once very anti-medical marijuana, but I see you've jumped the fence. Honestly, it doesn't matter, because even with medical cannabis, there will always be Dr.'s who will prescribe it for everything, so all you're actually doing is locking people in cages for being too poor to go to a cannabis friendly doctor for a prescription. You're a real "tough" guy.

    And Prilosec is also prescription, so if I get caught using prescription prilosec without a prescription, you want me to go to jail, "for the good of society".

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    Marijuana is often a "gateway" drug to the harder stuff. For that reason alone it shouldn't be legalized.
    Complete and utter bull****. You're parroting lines from DARE. Let's see some hard statistics showing how many people started sucking dick for heroine in alleyways after smoking pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    The harm that comes from marijuana is enough to ruin your life. And the other hard drugs will be killing more people if it becomes cheaper and easier to buy.
    Funny, why have I been able to smoke it for years with absolutely zero problems? I have an excellent job, a great family, and am sincerely happy. Where is all this death and destruction supposed to come in?
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