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Thread: News source tribalism

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I do pay some attention to my sources. For instance, if I'm looking to start a thread from a story I saw on The Blaze, I wouldn't use that source. I'd find it in mainstream. And if I can't find it there? It's probably a bunch of baloney.

    I consider Fox News to be mainstream. Unless it's an editorial, anyone calling a poster for a Fox News story is a bean head.

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    If I'm looking for facts on abortion, I won't be using Planned Parenthood's sight. That'd be another example.

    So yes, I do pay attention to my source.
    I don't know if we would choose the same sources, but if you have made good experience with a source, I for my part tend to trust them. Probably I would use an article from The Economist. I might check Hustler.

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    If I'm citing a news source, I'll use BBC or Al Jazeera. Why? Because **** Fox News, MSNBC, Infowars, Huffington Post, and so on. I'll find certain media sources less reliable, so I'll express my skepticism. I'll definitely be skeptical of MSNBC and Fox News because of a couple studies:
    (http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf)
    (http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf)
    I agree and I think for the most part the BBC World Service and Al Jazeera English are excellent news sources. I am a big NPR listener myself, and routinely change my mind on issues based upon what I hear on an NPR program.
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    Re: News source tribalism

    I think people who link Infowars and MSNBC are either ignorant of both or so ideologically lost there is not hope.

    Here is the thing. MSNBC is a station that for the most part does news analysis and opinion. There is not real hard news after 4pm from what I can tell and it leans left. At times far left. While they uncover facts on shows like Maddow and O'Donnell they are unapologetically left-wing. But what I find interesting is that I rarely see anything in their discussions that is clearly a lie. During the day MSNBC does shows that have guests who level their opinions and hosts who attempt to interview them and rarely challenge. Those guests tend to be from both sides of the political spectrum but often are in fact more left of center. Morning Joe, the once best produced show on the station, has a right wing leaning though Joe fancies himself a friend of lefties who he brings on. It has just turned into an impossible to watch clusterf$%K and his partner Mika has become a cartoon.

    To argue that MSNBC is a wing of the DNC is laughable. However Fox has been caught using RNC talking points on their shows complete with a typo one time. Their lies are epic and their inability to keep the narratives they create together, sometimes in one segment, are hilarious. Fox is like creationists, they begin with the idea that everything on the left is wrong and seek out ways to promote it. EVEN ON THEIR NEWS SHOWS. It is run by a former RNC operative and owned by a crazy man.


    Now we can argue about bias in the major networks but here is the thing, it is hard for the right to come up with clear examples of such when ask. ABC, NBC and CBS Nightly NEws broadcasts tend to give information. The bias might be what they think is an isn't news. There could be an argument there. Sadly few have made it well.

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think a lot of people are simply more committed to their side than they are the truth.
    Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more.

    And because of that, to answer your OP, no, I don't make any effort to find a source people will agree with.

    I say what I have to say and if anonymous strangers on the Internet want to take exception to it, for any and sundry reasons, I couldn't care less.

    Now, if someone wants to dig down into my "facts" that come from a potentially questionable source and can legitimately dispute them with "counter-facts" I'll sometimes make an effort to find an authoritative source to trump that counter claim.

    But if someone says, "I can't believe that, it's from CNN and we ALL know CNN is the propaganda arm of the DNC", then fine, don't believe it, you're an Internet stranger and I really don't care whether you live or die, much less whether or not you believe CNN.

    In terms of what I'll believe or accept to be true, it all depends on the nature of the claim.

    Of course there are things people say that cause me to think, "You've got to be retarded".

    So I'll do a little bit of research and for most things it's pretty east to either substantiate the claim or substantiate my skepticism.

    But yeah, for the most part, I think that probably 80% of the membership here is married to a partisan ideology or a philosophy and will defend their belief to the death despite the fact that they're factually wrong.

    Last thing I'll add is that sometimes "truth" is in the eye of the beholder.

    Sometimes I'll find that a citation, to my reading, doesn't support a claim, but given different value judgments it very well may.

    It isn't so much that a member's comments are factually wrong but more that the facts, such as they are, say something different to another person than they'd say to me.
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    Re: News source tribalism

    A link to one source is fine, but its always best to confirm with various new sources.

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Just a note to compare the Medias. How many of you are aware that the current Senate/CIA squabble is about "TORTURE" investigations. The media just keeps referring to it as a controversy. That would be a good place to get a read on what your favorite Media are projecting, or not.

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Ever since I got slammed for a post I made elsewhere, I have been particularly cautious about what source I'm using when providing documentation for comments I make. No matter how truthful something may be, for many political hacks simply being reported by a media source they've classified as on the opposition's team, the validity of the documentation must be outright rejected for no other reason than their seeing the source as coming from their opposition.

    Are you careful to use neutral sources to document your positions? Are you likely to dismiss claims if you perceive the source to be on your opposition's team? What media sources do you consider neutral?
    I try to use primary sources when they matter, and it's always good to try to verify sources too. But I don't have much use for those who insta-dismiss a source because of their own walled-in bias. They're intellectual lightweights, and their comments--"Well, its the Nation" (which I cited a few days ago) or "It's WND" or fill-in-the-blank--only interrupt potentially good threads and sometimes derail them.

    Sometimes, the "opposition's" sourcing is excellent, and intellectual rigor really does require you to look at all the facts available, even when they don't fit your own pet narrative. So use sources that you've independently verified when you can, and just ignore those who are predictably and dismissively going bleat about your sourcing without even checking it out for themselves.

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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I agree and I think for the most part the BBC World Service and Al Jazeera English are excellent news sources. I am a big NPR listener myself, and routinely change my mind on issues based upon what I hear on an NPR program.
    I'm not really a radio person. I'd have to agree that NPR is an excellent source of news...but I dislike the website's layout. Lol
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    Re: News source tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'm not really a radio person. I'd have to agree that NPR is an excellent source of news...but I dislike the website's layout. Lol
    Yeah I can't say I am a big fan of the website layout either. I read most of my news anymore on aggregators like Google News and Flipboard.
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    Re: News source tribalism

    I tend to use multiple sources against each other to find a middle ground of bias that carries more truth.

    I will often then search online sources to verify.

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