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Thread: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

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    E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    E-cigs are becoming a real controversy with the tobacco police. They are a nicotine replacement system and probably as addictive, but are they a serious health problem?

    Personally, I got off a 25yr smoking habit using one for a month, but that's not what everyone does with them. For those who replace a damaging tobacco habit, they're good, but how many new, young users are starting that might or might not have used cigarettes?

    That's the real question?


    On the edge of the SoHo neighborhood downtown, The Henley Vaporium is an intimate hipster hangout with overstuffed chairs, exposed brick, friendly counter help — but no booze.

    Instead, the proprietors are peddling e-cigarettes, along with bottles of liquid nicotine ready to be plucked from behind a wooden bar and turned into flavorful vapor for a lung hit with a kick that is intended to simulate traditional smoking.

    "Vaping," has had astonishing growth — in just eight years or so, the number of enthusiasts around the world has grown from a few thousand to millions.

    The Food and Drug Administration plans to regulate e-cigarettes but has not yet issued proposed rules. Right now, the agency simply states on its website that "e-cigarettes have not been fully studied so consumers currently don't know the potential risks of e-cigarettes," including how much nicotine or other chemicals are inhaled, or if e-cigs "may lead young people to try ... conventional cigarettes."

    Whether vaping helps regular smokers quit or leads non-smokers to nicotine addiction isn't known. Vaping may be safer — there are differing opinions — but it isn't necessarily cheap.


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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    They are no big deal. Water vapor with a variety of flavors. Much less dangerous than real cigs, and they don't smell bad. Some of them actually have a pleasant pipe tobacco smell.
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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    E-cigs are becoming a real controversy with the tobacco police. They are a nicotine replacement system and probably as addictive, but are they a serious health problem?

    Personally, I got off a 25yr smoking habit using one for a month, but that's not what everyone does with them. For those who replace a damaging tobacco habit, they're good, but how many new, young users are starting that might or might not have used cigarettes?

    That's the real question?
    E-cigs probably greatly reduce the risk of cancer and emphysema compared to cigarettes because smoke and tar are eliminated. But the risk of vascular disease - stroke and heart attack - probably comes in large part from the nicotine, which E-cigs deliver. However, how that risk compares to the risk of those diseases with cigarette smoking isn't known. Cigarette smoke contains >4000 different chemicals, and how they all contribute to the effects of cigarette smoking isn't known. How nicotine acts if it's give by itself to humans isn't clear, but in animals it does cause vascular disease.

    If we see a spike up in stroke and heart attack in the community in about 30 years we'll have our answer.

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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Who cares. To start smoking these days, you have to be a real dillhole or lacking the brains God gave a fruit fly. If you want to trade known minor health hazards and potential major ones down the road to look like a "sophisticated" hipster smoker, so be it.

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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Who cares. To start smoking these days, you have to be a real dillhole or lacking the brains God gave a fruit fly. If you want to trade known minor health hazards and potential major ones down the road to look like a "sophisticated" hipster smoker, so be it.

    If profit off of common stupidity became outlawed, half the Fortune 500 would close next week.
    Please don't mistake reckless foolishness with stupidity. A great many intelligent people smoke, Ayn Rand smoked, the President smokes (despite my political disagreements I'll not doubt his intellect)

    Vice and addiction can strike the smart and the stupid alike.
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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Please don't mistake reckless foolishness with stupidity. A great many intelligent people smoke, Ayn Rand smoked, the President smokes (despite my political disagreements I'll not doubt his intellect)

    Vice and addiction can strike the smart and the stupid alike.
    Mmmmm sorry...not buying it.

    At one point in time, when smoking was fashioned as "cool" and exactly how many health problems it contributed to wasn't fully realized, I could give a pass.

    Today, there is absolutely NO reason to start lighting up. None.

    No 14 year old out there is addicted to a cigarette he has never smoked before. To begin lighting up and continuing to do so for a length of time that addiction sets in is just plain stupid. Semantics for the sake of sugar-coating a responsibility shirk won't hold water.

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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Mmmmm sorry...not buying it.

    At one point in time, when smoking was fashioned as "cool" and exactly how many health problems it contributed to wasn't fully realized, I could give a pass.

    Today, there is absolutely NO reason to start lighting up. None.

    No 14 year old out there is addicted to a cigarette he has never smoked before. To begin lighting up and continuing to do so for a length of time that addiction sets in is just plain stupid. Semantics for the sake of sugar-coating a responsibility shirk won't hold water.
    You're not buying the fact that there are intelligent people who smoke? That's fine, I need not sell a fact.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    E-cigs are becoming a real controversy with the tobacco police. They are a nicotine replacement system and probably as addictive, but are they a serious health problem?

    Personally, I got off a 25yr smoking habit using one for a month, but that's not what everyone does with them. For those who replace a damaging tobacco habit, they're good, but how many new, young users are starting that might or might not have used cigarettes?

    That's the real question?
    Well. Leave it to assholes to find a way to abuse something for their own pleasure. Chicago has banned ecigarettes indoors. I guess that's the reason. I don't think they should be outlawed if they're used in the way they were intended. But selling nicotine on the side? Throw that guy in jail.

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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    My choice wasn't there (and I voted accordingly).

    It isn't my business, your business, or certainly not the gubmint's business, what people put in their bodies.

    If they want to smoke cigarettes, it's on them.

    If they want to smoke these e-things, it's on them.

    If they want to mainline a speedball of dog shampoo and arsenic, it's on them.

    Bunch of busybody mother****ers in this country.
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    Re: E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You're not buying the fact that there are intelligent people who smoke? That's fine, I need not sell a fact.
    You can burn up any currency toward a label such as "smart" by doing something as monumentally stupid as taking up smoking.

    You don't get a pass if you quote Nietzche between drags. We're not talking about an expensive, deadly, debilitating habit picked up through ignorance. Deliberate and willful performance of an action like this will automatically shuffle someone to the "stupid" section of the room.

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