View Poll Results: Is Palin right, should Obama use the threat of nukes to stop Putin?

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  • Yes, Palin was right, threaten and use nuclear weapons to Putin in Crimea crisis

    2 3.03%
  • No, Palin is wrong, threatening with nukes is insane

    37 56.06%
  • Yes, sadly Palin is not VP/President or Putin would now be a glowstick/dead

    1 1.52%
  • No, thank goodness Palin did not become VP/President or we would all be glowsticks/dead

    21 31.82%
  • Sarah who?

    5 7.58%
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Thread: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

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    Nah. I'm as liberal as all get-out and she gives me the giggles. I'm grateful to the Republican Party for finding such a worthy heir to Dubya.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I agree with you, you cannot use the ultimate weapon just because people in the Crimea (which is mostly Russians) might want to belong to Russia one cannot use nukes. This could create a war in which millions of innocent people will die.
    Millions? How about billions?

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
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    CPAC 2014, Sarah Palin, for context start at 22:00. The remark is at 22:48.

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    I like what she says a bit later. "Aferall, who could have seen this coming."
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I do not know that is so unfair about it? I just wrote what the Dutch newspaper said about Palin's speech.

    My poll is worded fairly IMHO, how much fairer could I be by asking the polling question:

    Is Palin right, should Obama use the threat of nukes to stop Putin

    And I cannot put it any fairer than that, it is in fact what nuclear deterrence is according to most.

    And Russia can interfere in Crimea because the majority of people on the Crimea is Russian. Ukraine only took possession of it about 70 year ago when it was gifted from one Soviet state to another Soviet state. It then totally ignored the wishes of the people living on the Crimean peninsular. In 1991 the Crimea became an autonomous soviet socialist republic.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Crimea already tried to become independent from the Ukraine but later it stayed part of Ukraine but again as an autonomous region (according to wikipedia that status was even expanded).

    Then it was Ukraine which interfered in this autonomous region and from about 1993 the name of the Crimea officially changed to "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea". The republic already has it's own parliament, a council of ministers as well as a Supreme council. In 2010, the pro-Russia party of the Crimea won 80 of the 100 seats in it's parliament.

    Ukraine may not like it, but Crimea has been moving towards independence for a lot of years. This revolt in Ukraine in which the legal president was deposed may have been the final straw. That of course with the fact that immediately the new revolt leaders banned Crimea from having Russian as a second language.

    Another few things, the US invaded Grenada to protect a limited number of students so some Russians could claim the only reasons that Russia got involved was to protect Russians in that region. I am not giving an opinion on that reasoning, that will be decided in the history books of the future.

    Also, the world worked hard to give the South Sudanese their own country, helped Bosnia-Herzegovina get free from Yugoslavia/Serbia, did the same for Kosovo and Montenegro and now the people of Crimea might want to be free from Ukraine and we should let them at least be able to speak their minds at the referendum.
    It's dishonest because you obviously took Palin's words out of context. Even if you use the Dutch newspaper as an excuse, you should have done a little research before starting a poll like this. At the very least you should have looked at her original remarks. It's obvious to everybody that the remarks were taken out of context. I don't understand whether your intentions are honest or not but your method wasn't.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    I'm pretty sure Putin is aware the United States has a large arsenal of Nukes.

    Stating what she did either implies we need to "Remind" him with threats, of use them as deterrent.


    Either way.....It was an ignorant and Palinesque comment.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sarah Palin, according to a Dutch Newspaper has stated that Obama should use nuclear weapons to stop Putin when she said:
    Though it is a rather overkill proposal for this situation, the use of a nuclear weapon could be a very real possibility and possibly a good idea in a situation, where the world community and neighborhood shun responsibility and the US were again forced to act more or less alone. That has been the fundament of international security for the last 20 (an argument could be made for the last 65 years), but its time is running out. When the US can no longer guaranty a semblance of international safety the economic model will be dependent on increasingly competitive regional players and will not work and we will almost certainly have a row of smaller and larger wars with world war a very probable outcome.

    It would appear reasonable to develop an international guarantor of security, if we do not want this to happen. On the other hand, There are a lot of powerful people in the world that would personally lose out and very few, who are willing to stand up against them to attain international security. I had hoped that the Iraq incursion would have persuaded enough people to carry us to the point, where such a change would be possible. And it looked as though this were happening, when R2P was introduced as a norm by the UN. But it seems that the downside of having a sheriff instead of a general system of law is fading in memories and we are all back to the idiots' game of letting things go and warlords grabbing the cookies.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The gun remark of the NRA is not meant IMHO to just be about deterrence but also the use of said weapons. And if you were only going to threaten to use nuclear weapons, that will be ineffective because Russia would not care about threats. If you want to have nuclear deterrence you also have to be willing to use it to stop Russia on the Crimea peninsular. And because of that, the comments of Palin made absolutely no sense IMO.
    You don't have to threaten to use nukes for them to be deterring. The stakes are obviously higher when trying to pick a fight with a country that possesses them. The fact that a country has them enters into the calculations of the other country. You are jumping from A to C, without recognizing B. A being no nukes, C being having them and threatening/using them, B being having them, but no intention of using them.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    It's dishonest because you obviously took Palin's words out of context. Even if you use the Dutch newspaper as an excuse, you should have done a little research before starting a poll like this. At the very least you should have looked at her original remarks. It's obvious to everybody that the remarks were taken out of context. I don't understand whether your intentions are honest or not but your method wasn't.
    That might be your opinion and if so, I could care less. I am of a different opinion and that is that.

    I did look at her comments and I am I am still of the opinion that the "good guy with a nuke stops a bad guy with a nuke" was directed at Obama and his lack of resolve towards the Russian situation.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Though it is a rather overkill proposal for this situation, the use of a nuclear weapon could be a very real possibility and possibly a good idea in a situation, where the world community and neighborhood shun responsibility and the US were again forced to act more or less alone. That has been the fundament of international security for the last 20 (an argument could be made for the last 65 years), but its time is running out. When the US can no longer guaranty a semblance of international safety the economic model will be dependent on increasingly competitive regional players and will not work and we will almost certainly have a row of smaller and larger wars with world war a very probable outcome.

    It would appear reasonable to develop an international guarantor of security, if we do not want this to happen. On the other hand, There are a lot of powerful people in the world that would personally lose out and very few, who are willing to stand up against them to attain international security. I had hoped that the Iraq incursion would have persuaded enough people to carry us to the point, where such a change would be possible. And it looked as though this were happening, when R2P was introduced as a norm by the UN. But it seems that the downside of having a sheriff instead of a general system of law is fading in memories and we are all back to the idiots' game of letting things go and warlords grabbing the cookies.
    A good idea in this situation? There is no justification for using nuclear weapons because it can and will lead to a nuclear strike from Russia on US soil. Putin might be nuts but he will strike back with millions dying.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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