View Poll Results: Is Palin right, should Obama use the threat of nukes to stop Putin?

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  • Yes, Palin was right, threaten and use nuclear weapons to Putin in Crimea crisis

    2 3.03%
  • No, Palin is wrong, threatening with nukes is insane

    37 56.06%
  • Yes, sadly Palin is not VP/President or Putin would now be a glowstick/dead

    1 1.52%
  • No, thank goodness Palin did not become VP/President or we would all be glowsticks/dead

    21 31.82%
  • Sarah who?

    5 7.58%
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Thread: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sarah Palin, according to a Dutch Newspaper has stated that Obama should use nuclear weapons to stop Putin when she said:
    I'm no fan of hers, but we all know what she meant. A country that has nukes and malicious intent can do essentially whatever they want, unless another country with good intent and nukes stands up to it. That isn't a suggestion to use nukes in war.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    These kind of attacks are also why she remains so popular among conservatives (and how she has made millions of dollars.) If Democrats or liberals really want to silence and disempower her, ignore her. How many times now have Democrats in the extreme desire to destroy her have given her the status of the unfairly derided conservative Republican female?
    Her status is built upon it.
    Yes. Liberals failed to see that the fair derision leveled at her would be seen as unfair. I never tire of relating the story of my first 5 minutes of being aware of Sarah Palin. When the news report started, they were describing her and her credentials, and so forth, and stating that McCain had selected her. At that point, I was like "wow, McCain may have just won the election". Then they played a clip of her. My analysis did a complete flip and I thought instead, with a fair amount of surprise, glee and relief, that McCain had just sealed his defeat.

    My view of her lack of intellectual ability was honest, unanticipated and sincere. It has only strengthened over all the years since. It is indeed fascinating to me to consider: Are the Republicans actually really shrewd? Patronizing the simpletons of America by pretending to glorify Palin? Or are they all really idiots, for the most part sincerely taken with her? Do they really think she is some sort of towering intellect?

    It is fascinating to me like watching a train wreck would be fascinating. I am just not sure which one I find more sad and frightening.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This liberal will back you up on that. It was stunningly dishonest to claim that Palin was advocating the use of nukes. That kind of dishonesty is the sort if thing that destroys real dialogue and problem solving.
    Very true. We all need to try to deal with the truth. Our opinions are OK, until we claim them as truth.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Fair enough. I admit I am not aware of the whole story.
    I cannot read her mind (and thank goodness I do not have to read her mind because that doesn't seem a very nice place IMHO), she is the only one who can do that.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I'm no fan of hers, but we all know what she meant. A country that has nukes and malicious intent can do essentially whatever they want, unless another country with good intent and nukes stands up to it. That isn't a suggestion to use nukes in war.
    The gun remark of the NRA is not meant IMHO to just be about deterrence but also the use of said weapons. And if you were only going to threaten to use nuclear weapons, that will be ineffective because Russia would not care about threats. If you want to have nuclear deterrence you also have to be willing to use it to stop Russia on the Crimea peninsular. And because of that, the comments of Palin made absolutely no sense IMO.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Do you know what I like best about Sarah...

    She drive liberals nutz...
    Nah. I'm as liberal as all get-out and she gives me the giggles. I'm grateful to the Republican Party for finding such a worthy heir to Dubya.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Trust me and I have seen some bad ones.
    Dumber than the Obama impeachment one? That's saying something.
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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    In my 9 years as a member of DP this has to be one of the dumbest polls I have ever seen.
    - should Obama be impeached

    - is the president stupid

    - Hillary too sick to run

    - who was the first president to bow

    - should I wear pants today

    - choose your overlord

    And those are just from the first 10 pages. I think this has more to do with biased partisan political views than anything else.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    - should Obama be impeached

    - is the president stupid

    - Hillary too sick to run

    - who was the first president to bow

    - should I wear pants today

    - choose your overlord

    And those are just from the first 10 pages. I think this has more to do with biased partisan political views than anything else.
    Hey! Choose your overlord was a brilliant thread.

    Anyway, I'm going to have to go with not nuking our nuclear-armed-to-the-teeth arch-nemesis.

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    Re: Drop a nuclear bomb on Russia to stop the Crimea from becoming part of Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What a grossly dishonest OP statement and poll. Only a truly simple mind or an a blind partisan (which are the same in my book) would interpret her statement as equating to calling for a nuclear attack against Russia.

    Only nuclear powers can stand up to other nuclear powers in high stakes military relevant poker games. That's why Russia could invade Ukraine and can not invade our or our bases.

    If we put just 100 USA troops in Ukraine's holding-out base in Crimea the entire game changes. If we moved aircraft and missiles into Europe, particularly small anti-air and anti-mechanized missiles - indicating we are preparing to provide those to locals and Eastern Europeans and Ukraine Muslims that also be playing some serious cards. To draw a battleline, Russia has to use Russians. We don't have to us USA troops in response. There are millions of people in that region who don't kill Russians only because they don't have the means to do so. We have piles of that hardware.

    Its a big deal for Russians to start attacking American troops, because we both got nukes. Since this is on Russia's border, not ours, their risks of conventional style killing is greater. We both understand what escalation ultimately leads to.

    Obama doesn't know how to play poker. Putin does.

    This also is why we know that Obama has already agreed to give Putin Crimea in his secret long phone call. Now it will all just be words on top of words - all meaning nothing - until everyone tires of the topic and loses interests.
    I do not know that is so unfair about it? I just wrote what the Dutch newspaper said about Palin's speech.

    My poll is worded fairly IMHO, how much fairer could I be by asking the polling question:

    Is Palin right, should Obama use the threat of nukes to stop Putin

    And I cannot put it any fairer than that, it is in fact what nuclear deterrence is according to most.

    And Russia can interfere in Crimea because the majority of people on the Crimea is Russian. Ukraine only took possession of it about 70 year ago when it was gifted from one Soviet state to another Soviet state. It then totally ignored the wishes of the people living on the Crimean peninsular. In 1991 the Crimea became an autonomous soviet socialist republic.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Crimea already tried to become independent from the Ukraine but later it stayed part of Ukraine but again as an autonomous region (according to wikipedia that status was even expanded).

    Then it was Ukraine which interfered in this autonomous region and from about 1993 the name of the Crimea officially changed to "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea". The republic already has it's own parliament, a council of ministers as well as a Supreme council. In 2010, the pro-Russia party of the Crimea won 80 of the 100 seats in it's parliament.

    Ukraine may not like it, but Crimea has been moving towards independence for a lot of years. This revolt in Ukraine in which the legal president was deposed may have been the final straw. That of course with the fact that immediately the new revolt leaders banned Crimea from having Russian as a second language.

    Another few things, the US invaded Grenada to protect a limited number of students so some Russians could claim the only reasons that Russia got involved was to protect Russians in that region. I am not giving an opinion on that reasoning, that will be decided in the history books of the future.

    Also, the world worked hard to give the South Sudanese their own country, helped Bosnia-Herzegovina get free from Yugoslavia/Serbia, did the same for Kosovo and Montenegro and now the people of Crimea might want to be free from Ukraine and we should let them at least be able to speak their minds at the referendum.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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