View Poll Results: What Happened?

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  • Hijacked and landed, demands forthcoming.

    7 14.58%
  • Blown up in midair.

    14 29.17%
  • Critical structural failure leading to a crash.

    14 29.17%
  • Alien abduction...a new bremuda triangle.

    8 16.67%
  • Bad seafood served...pilots incapacitated.

    4 8.33%
  • You're nuts....this is what actually happened.

    1 2.08%
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Thread: Where is the plane?

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The missing 777-200 from Thailand to China is a mystery....and I would love to hear everyone's theories.


    I'll supply a few....but please add.
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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure, but I think people with satellite phones might have had signals....?? If the cabin decompressed instantly, which is what would happen if a devastating explosion took place, last known they were at 30,000 feet. No oxygen. Freezing. And lots of people without seatbelts on would have been sucked into the sky until pressure equalized. It would have been screaming pandamonium. Hard to believe anyone would have the presence of mind to make a phone call.

    If a powerful bomb was detonated by the first-class bathrooms (I think those are close to the cabin door), it could have killed them instantly.

    I mean, talk about WAG'ing. That's what I'm doing.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Very good question. As a number of people in this thread have pointed out, international flights simply don't have the same security we have in The States. Combine that with the possibility of a cohort in baggage, and we might have Mulligan Stew.

    But the big question in my mind is, if that's true, why isn't a group taking credit? Or are they, and we're just not hearing about it?
    (1) lost their nerve and decided they didn't want the attention (likelier with a small conspiracy)
    (2) waiting to be discovered, either for dramatic effect or to demonstrate the ineffectuality of political truth tracking.

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    If it isn't found, it's gonna spawn some ghost plane stories to tell kids at sleepovers. It's a terrible tragedy though. Truly is a strange turn of events.

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    The plane has been sequestered to allow negotiatons to take place regarding the precise number of virgins to await.
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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Im thinking design fault or something like that (such as sensors that might have malfunctioned/tampered with) that nobody knows about caused the plane to just break up in mid air. If it was a hijacking the pilots could have radioed since cabin doors are reinforced against forced entry nowadays and passengers would have fought the hijackers. If it was a bomb I dont see any motive since Malaysia is a mostly Muslim country.

    The 777 is a new design and so while it has been flying for years now, they might not have covered everything as far as any structural weaknesses as of yet. And since it disappeared flying over the Pacific, I dont expect they would find a crater either...
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    Re: Where is the plane?

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    And here I thought that guy was dead.. he has been in deep cover waiting to hatch his nefarious plot to steal da plane.
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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Alot of this was covered in another thread. Hmm. Hope this isn't too bold.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The logical assumption would be that stolen / lost passports aren't universally checked during the check in and and boarding process.

    It would be pretty easy to add a sequence number at the end of the passport / identify number indicating the number of the passport issued to the individual to pick up that an old issued one was is being used, but that's going to take a lot of tracking and coordination computer and networking wise which may not be logistically possible all across the planet, and for all we know that level of tracking may be illegal in some countries.

    As reported on the news, the manufacturer guarantees the battery to last for 30 days running the locator pinger, which makes me believe that it's a rather low power device with limited range. The plane went down in 600 foot deep water, where the oil slicks were, so they'll be sending in salvage divers to get the pieces as well as the black boxes (alert orange really) once they locate the debris field on the ocean floor.

    As reported on the news, there are locations on the planet where there is no radar coverage, typically beyond radar range. The airplane, traveling 8 miles per second would cover 80 miles in 10 minutes. Not quite sure what happens or is supposed to happen every 10 minutes, perhaps a GPS radio position report to the control center?

    First thought I had was that a shoe bomber got through and onto the plane. It's early yet. Remember flight 800? Seems like that took 2 years or more before the NTSB investigators actually figured out the case. The causes get harder each year as all the easy (obvious) ones are already solved and prevented by now.
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Follow up.
    Just reported that the black box has an acoustic beacon, which is like the sub 'ping' in the movies. So, yes, limited range.
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    How large, or rather, how small an explosion can this Pentagon system detect? Middle of the Pacific ocean, hours away from land, not really confident that this Pentagon system you speak of would be able to detect what by all right would be considered a small explosion more than sufficient to bring down a commercial airline from 35,000 feet.

    I don't think that a large explosion is required. You have 500 MPH winds clawing at every inch of that plane's skin, and any breach would result in a explosive decompression which rips that skin, changing the load factors on the structural members which are the plane's skeleton, and she just won't fly anymore. Down she comes.

    As reported on the news, there are many places, especially over the large oceans, where there are no radar stations on land within range. Radars do in fact have a limited range. What is relied on when flying through these 'dark' areas is GPS based radio position reporting. Seems to be the interval is every 10 minutes.

    No, but it does mean that there was a sudden and catastrophic event that prevented the pilots form calling a mayday. The priorities are clear,

    1). Aviate - keep the plane in the air and under control
    2). Navigate - keep it pointing in the right course
    3). Communicate - then tell someone else

    If the flight crew were not able to do #1, you probably wouldn't get a radio call.
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    What you are asking is what the glide ratio is. How many feet forward will result in how many feet drop. Googled and found this:
    Glide ratio

    As the aircraft fuselage and control surfaces will also add drag and possibly some lift, it is fair to consider the L/D of the aircraft as a whole. As it turns out, the glide ratio, which is the ratio of an (unpowered) aircraft's forward motion to its descent, is (when flown at constant speed) numerically equal to the aircraft's L/D. This is especially of interest in the design and operation of high performance sailplanes, which can have glide ratios approaching 60 to 1 (60 units of distance forward for each unit of descent) in the best cases, but with 30:1
    Lift-to-drag ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While not a 777, it's a 767, and does give you an idea how what the glide ratio would be.
    The aircraft lost 5,000 feet (1,500 m) in 10 nautical miles (19 km; 12 mi), giving a glide ratio of approximately 12:1.
    Gimli Glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So that's 12 feet forward for every 1 foot down.

    So, 31,000 feet up, times 12 for assumed glide ratio, and it would be able to go around 70 miles further before hitting the water. At 500 MPH normal cruising speed, that about 10 minutes flying time. Near as I can figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think they were too far from shore to glide back to shore. If it was just an engine outage, they would have called on the radio with GPS coordinates for rescue. Most of the military strips that are what? 50 years old? Are too small for aircraft that size. The jungle would have claimed them already, and to what benefit to Viet Nam to 'steal' an airplane. Heck, they could just buy one.

    No, I'm thinking far more sudden and far more catastrophic than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Restarting stalled engines in flight is a regularly practiced exercise. If they were capable performing that, then they'd have called it in. No radio call was made.

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If it was over land a 777 in a nose dive leaves a relatively small impact crater.
    That's my guess as well.

    Either it exploded in mid air or nosedived and the debris field is all over land in an isolated area.

    Hard to believe that a debris field from a plane that big crashing into the water would not have been spotted by now considering all the assets searching for it.

    However, the searchers do not seem to mention searching over land and they would know far better then I, so....

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    Re: Where is the plane?

    I think it likely structural failure. Acts of terrorism tend to come with wanting it known it was terrorism. Otherwise it served no purpose.

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