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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Hillary is clearly the democrats choice, and Paul has the only available nod from the Republican side. Assuming they are the R and D nominees who wins your vote?
    I think your signature line sort of explains my feelings if it boils down to those two. I will be honest, in five of the last six elections I voted third party. I will not vote for someone I feel is the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate. Regardless of who wins, you still end up with a very bad winner. I vote for whom I think is the best candidate, if that candidate belongs to a third party or is an independent, so be it. At least I know I have voted for the best, not the least worst or the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm absolutely shocked we agree

    Honestly though, I'd be very happy with this. While I don't agree 100% with Paul, IF he managed to win the ticket he'd be the first person in memory on the biggest stage that I could see myself happy with enough to actively WANT to get involved. Huntsman would've caused that for me as well, but alas that abysmal primary stategy had him going no where.

    The smears going off against Paul would definitely come in full force, but I think he's seemingly got enough "new blood" in him to embrace some of the changing realities of politics and hopefully get some people on board who know how to message and manage public perception in the 21st century to combat it. If he could leverage some of what worked with his father with the younger people in creating an '08 Obama-esque "socially trendy" feeling to his campaign, I could see him surprising some folks.
    I'm shocked we managed to find some common ground.

    But yes, I'm at the same place. I don't agree with Rand on everything, just like I didn't agree with his dad on everything, but I line up more with Rand Paul than I do any other major candidate in my memory and that's enough to make me want to get involved on a personal level. My one concern about Rand is that is relatively new and inexperienced. Part of me would almost like him to run a strong campaign, fall short of the nomination, and come back in 2020 or 2024 depending on how 2016 goes. But, since none of the other "major" possible Republican nominees look acceptable to me, I'll happily put that one reservation aside. Plus, you never know how things will develop in 4 or 8 years, so if Paul has a good chance at capturing the nomination, then he should go for it now.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Hillary is clearly the democrats choice, and Paul has the only available nod from the Republican side. Assuming they are the R and D nominees who wins your vote?
    The only wasted vote is an unprincipled one. My vote will be with neither.

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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Paul has and excellent chance if he gets the nomination to beat the "Wicked witch from the East"......Young voters love him and will comes out in masses for him.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Paul has and excellent chance if he gets the nomination to beat the "Wicked witch from the East"......Young voters love him and will comes out in masses for him.
    You are talking about the wrong Paul. The Young voters don't care for the son.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are talking about the wrong Paul. The Young voters don't care for the son.
    Really Disney...do you have some evidence to back up your sentiment, or are you just spouting off opinion as fact? Have any polling data to sugggest youth voters don't like Rand Paul?

    He's definitely seemingly popular with young conservatives. He just soundly won the CPAC straw poll, where 46% of attendees were between 18 and 25 (SOURCE). He won 52% of the 18-24 year old vote in his 2010 election win (Source).

    While it may be too early to say that "young voters lov him and will come out in masses", it's also rather early and baseless to state that "The Young Voters don't care" for him without something to back up that assertion.

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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really Disney...do you have some evidence to back up your sentiment, or are you just spouting off opinion as fact? Have any polling data to sugggest youth voters don't like Rand Paul?

    He's definitely seemingly popular with young conservatives. He just soundly won the CPAC straw poll, where 46% of attendees were between 18 and 25 (SOURCE). He won 52% of the 18-24 year old vote in his 2010 election win (Source).

    While it may be too early to say that "young voters lov him and will come out in masses", it's also rather early and baseless to state that "The Young Voters don't care" for him without something to back up that assertion.
    Not talking about young CPAC conservative voters. Talking about young voters in general which NP was referencing. Rand Paul has yet to win over the young college Ron Paul voters.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    I have no interest in more "government needs to get out of the way" rhetoric that actually only means that "government needs to get out of rich people's way". That's all Paul really stands for. That and enforcing his personal religious mores on everyone else. He's everything this country doesn't need.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really Disney...do you have some evidence to back up your sentiment, or are you just spouting off opinion as fact? Have any polling data to sugggest youth voters don't like Rand Paul?

    He's definitely seemingly popular with young conservatives. He just soundly won the CPAC straw poll, where 46% of attendees were between 18 and 25 (SOURCE). He won 52% of the 18-24 year old vote in his 2010 election win (Source).

    While it may be too early to say that "young voters lov him and will come out in masses", it's also rather early and baseless to state that "The Young Voters don't care" for him without something to back up that assertion.
    This illustrates a divide in the GOP. Can Mr Paul win over a party that almost nominated Rick Santorum with libertarian views?

    Let's face it, in order to win the GOP nomination he's going to have to say some pretty stupid stuff. By the time he's done bringing in the Christians, will the young people still recognize their candidate? His dad wasn't really serious about winning so he could say things like "The War on Drugs is a horribly failed policy that needs to end today" or "The embargo on Cuba has done nothing to help the Cuban people." If Rand is for real about winning he can't be so honest. And when he goes down that path, then he will be seen by his young supporters the way Mitt Romney looks to the people of Massachusetts: A man of no principle who will assume any caricature to take the nomination.

    Just wait until he has to start stating exactly how pro-life, anti-gay he is on the campaign trail to assuage the doubts of the GOP faithful.

    Either way, we all know he is going to say something about social security and/or medicare and/or 47% of Americans who are dependent on the Government...and then Hillary is going to accept the Presidency of the United States.
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    Re: Hillary or Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not talking about young CPAC conservative voters. Talking about young voters in general which NP was referencing. Rand Paul has yet to win over the young college Ron Paul voters.
    Last I checked, young conservatives represent a portion of the young voters in general.

    Additionally, you'll note I actually provided evidence of at least one instance where Rand Paul absolutely DID win over the young college vote....52% in his 2010 election.

    You've provided.....well, zero to back up your claim other than just restating it again.

    Exactly how is your assertion any different than Navy's again?

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