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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    it would be a waste of time since the Democrats control the senate



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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Please list the impeachable offences.
    by not following the constitution.

    changing the healthcare law, only congress can change, delay law.

    by not enforcing all federal laws...........the constitution states ...the president "shall".......it does not say "may"

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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Should he? Yes.

    Will he? No.

    Why should he be? For the same reason every president in the past 50 years should have been, extreme violations against the constitution, wars based on false pretenses, extra-judicial killings.
    As a referendum on the changing roles of the presidency, I'm okay with this. As the deranged anti-Obama obsession of the right, no. The trouble is, impeaching one president over the actions of several of them isn't going to have the intended effect. The fact remains that Obama hasn't done anything particularly different than his predecessors, and if we weren't going to impeach Bush over lying in order to start a war, there's not a whole lot we're going to impeach anyone over.

    All that said, the lack of specific examples and constitutional analysis to justify any instances of accusing Obama of violating the constitution amuse me greatly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Nixon should have faced full impeachment and trial.
    He would have had he not resigned. That's why he resigned. The charges against Clinton were nothing more than a political power grab, and Johnson faced impeachment for opposing an unconstitutional law. Nixon would have been the only legitimate impeachment of a president the US has seen, and would have been the only one to actually convict.

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The 2012 Republican Party Platform is this: Prove that Obama is bad. The End. That isn't anything close to what Preibus envisioned for the Party.
    They want to believe so badly. That their nonsense isn't actually true doesn't even register.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    4 men die in a terrorist attack that could have been avoided if someone was at the helm. Not bad enough but Clinton and Obama lie about it and say it was caused by a video.......If that is not grounds for impeachment I don' know what is my left wing friend.
    Benghazi is basically the free square in Partisan Republican Nonsense Bingo.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's just not true. In fact the GOP is very involved and on point at the local level. That's why they rule the People's House and more than a few state legisltures. The federal is getting closer to ruling the entire nation with an iron fist, but they're not there yet.
    And yet the people they're governing are suffering. They are very involved. They're involved in making sure that hungry people stay hungry, sick people stay sick, and gay people remain second class citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I really have mixed emotions over this......I think Obama deserved to be impeached for all his violations of the Constitution but then you look at what with take his place and that scares the hell out of you.
    As above, please provide examples of things that actually violate the constitution. No, the tenth amendment does not allow states to override the federal government. That's another square on the Bingo board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Perssonally I have never been poor
    No part of me is surprised by this. Never experiencing the plight of those who are struggling in this country seems to be one of the main requirements for holding right wing views. You got lucky but can't see it as anything besides your own amazing talents, so everyone else who isn't as lucky must be inferior in some way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    How about housing, cars, booze, dope? should we buy that for them to because is exactly what is happening with unemployment compensation..
    What makes you think that people who can't afford food or healthcare can afford housing or transportation? Also booze and dope are extremely cheap compared to everything else listed here except perhaps food, but that goes out the window if there are kids involved. As someone who has never been poor, it doesn't surprise me that you don't really know how much things cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Then I would say very few Americans have ever been poor. The US government defines it differently.

    I very vividly remember finding out I was poor in 1993. My parents always told me that we were middle class. I never questioned it. My president Bill Clinton told me that middle class was defined as families earning between $70,000 and $200,000 per year. Boy did that change my world view. I have my suspicions it changed the way a lot of Americans viewed their lot in life.
    And more. "The problem doesn't affect me, so there must not be a problem." Were you one of those 50 million people without healthcare? No? Then there is a problem even if it didn't affect you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    For those who want to impeach Obama - did you want to impeach G.W. Bush too?
    A lot of people who now reject Bush were pretty supportive of him at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Their were plenty of reasons to impeach Clinton but they could never kick him out of office because of the lap dog democrat Senate.
    Such as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If Richard Clarke says that no such offer happened, then no such offer happened. He is one of the foremost minds in the entire counterterrorism field and has more integrity than most people ever do.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I see liberal revisionist history is at work. We are now at 4,000 deaths and because G.W. Bush stuck with Clinton's failed terrorist policies that Al Qaeda wasn't a national security issue but a law enforcement issue and it's now Bush's fault ignoring the findings of the 9-11 Commission.
    Almost no one actually thinks that Bush could have prevented 9/11. That his responses to it were to start an illegal war for false reasons and push for legislation that stripped people of their 4th amendments rights, those he is blamed for.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    And what was Barack Obama's response to that ? He threw a long time ally who protected Israels southern flank under the bus.

    In four years Obama has turned the entire Middle East and North Africa into a complete basket case. Frickin outstanding.
    Obama isn't responsible to Israel. He is not tasked with protecting Israel's interests. He is tasked with protecting America's interests. Learn the difference. But I do like how you think that Obama is somehow causing a whole bunch of revolutions and civil wars in other countries. It's pretty funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    by not following the constitution.

    changing the healthcare law, only congress can change, delay law.

    by not enforcing all federal laws...........the constitution states ...the president "shall".......it does not say "may"
    Wow! An actual answer. Not, you know, a good answer. But at least an answer. Okay, let's dig in. Please define "executive power" and explain why the things you say the president has done (please give sufficient details as to what those things are) do not fall under that definition. Please ensure that this definition also does not call for any previous president with an R next to his name to have similarly violated his duties. Also ensure that this definition allows Thomas Jefferson to make the Louisiana Purchase and not leave that power to congress.

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    In summation, no, there is no instance of the president actually committing any crimes to warrant removal from office.
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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post



    Wow! An actual answer. Not, you know, a good answer. But at least an answer. Okay, let's dig in. Please define "executive power" and explain why the things you say the president has done (please give sufficient details as to what those things are) do not fall under that definition. Please ensure that this definition also does not call for any previous president with an R next to his name to have similarly violated his duties. Also ensure that this definition allows Thomas Jefferson to make the Louisiana Purchase and not leave that power to congress.

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    In summation, no, there is no instance of the president actually committing any crimes to warrant removal from office.
    the OP was Obama, i do not want to put forth that he is the only one, many presidents have violated constitutional law, and not been held accountable.

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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Were you one of those 50 million people without healthcare? No?
    Without health care? No. There is a hospital within 7 miles of my house that would treat me no matter what. Without health insurance? I was never stupid enough to pay for health insurance until Jan 1, 2014. I only did that because I thought it was required by law.

    Who are these 50 million people without HEALTH CARE ? or did you spell Health Insurance wrong?

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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As a referendum on the changing roles of the presidency, I'm okay with this. As the deranged anti-Obama obsession of the right, no. The trouble is, impeaching one president over the actions of several of them isn't going to have the intended effect. The fact remains that Obama hasn't done anything particularly different than his predecessors, and if we weren't going to impeach Bush over lying in order to start a war, there's not a whole lot we're going to impeach anyone over.

    All that said, the lack of specific examples and constitutional analysis to justify any instances of accusing Obama of violating the constitution amuse me greatly.



    He would have had he not resigned. That's why he resigned. The charges against Clinton were nothing more than a political power grab, and Johnson faced impeachment for opposing an unconstitutional law. Nixon would have been the only legitimate impeachment of a president the US has seen, and would have been the only one to actually convict.



    They want to believe so badly. That their nonsense isn't actually true doesn't even register.



    Benghazi is basically the free square in Partisan Republican Nonsense Bingo.



    And yet the people they're governing are suffering. They are very involved. They're involved in making sure that hungry people stay hungry, sick people stay sick, and gay people remain second class citizens.



    As above, please provide examples of things that actually violate the constitution. No, the tenth amendment does not allow states to override the federal government. That's another square on the Bingo board.



    No part of me is surprised by this. Never experiencing the plight of those who are struggling in this country seems to be one of the main requirements for holding right wing views. You got lucky but can't see it as anything besides your own amazing talents, so everyone else who isn't as lucky must be inferior in some way.



    What makes you think that people who can't afford food or healthcare can afford housing or transportation? Also booze and dope are extremely cheap compared to everything else listed here except perhaps food, but that goes out the window if there are kids involved. As someone who has never been poor, it doesn't surprise me that you don't really know how much things cost.



    And more. "The problem doesn't affect me, so there must not be a problem." Were you one of those 50 million people without healthcare? No? Then there is a problem even if it didn't affect you.



    A lot of people who now reject Bush were pretty supportive of him at the time.



    Such as?



    If Richard Clarke says that no such offer happened, then no such offer happened. He is one of the foremost minds in the entire counterterrorism field and has more integrity than most people ever do.



    Almost no one actually thinks that Bush could have prevented 9/11. That his responses to it were to start an illegal war for false reasons and push for legislation that stripped people of their 4th amendments rights, those he is blamed for.



    Obama isn't responsible to Israel. He is not tasked with protecting Israel's interests. He is tasked with protecting America's interests. Learn the difference. But I do like how you think that Obama is somehow causing a whole bunch of revolutions and civil wars in other countries. It's pretty funny.



    Wow! An actual answer. Not, you know, a good answer. But at least an answer. Okay, let's dig in. Please define "executive power" and explain why the things you say the president has done (please give sufficient details as to what those things are) do not fall under that definition. Please ensure that this definition also does not call for any previous president with an R next to his name to have similarly violated his duties. Also ensure that this definition allows Thomas Jefferson to make the Louisiana Purchase and not leave that power to congress.

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    In summation, no, there is no instance of the president actually committing any crimes to warrant removal from office.

    No part of me is surprised by this. Never experiencing the plight of those who are struggling in this country seems to be one of the main requirements for holding right wing views. You got lucky but can't see it as anything besides your own amazing talents, so everyone else who isn't as lucky must be inferior in some way.

    Until you have walked in my shoes my left wing friend don't criticize me...You have no clue what I have gone through in my life......Nobody ever gave me anything and any person is this country can make it but when your daddy Obama gives them all the giveaways there is no incentive for people to work...People like you love to give money away as long its not yours. The rest of your comments are not worth responding to.
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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    After all his bungling and violating the constitution should Obama be impeached? please put your partisan views aside right or left and try and answer the question honestly.
    Absolutely. Nothing will destroy the GOP more than that sort of bitter over the top effort to help emasculate government. Please get this going ASAP.
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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    by not following the constitution.

    changing the healthcare law, only congress can change, delay law.
    That's very vague.

    by not enforcing all federal laws...........the constitution states ...the president "shall".......it does not say "may"
    Still very vague. I was hoping to see specific examples. Nevertheless, do you think nearly every President is our lifetime should have also been impeached?

    - Bush enacted the Patriot ACT, which seems to violate the Fourth Amendment.
    - Many Presidents have waged covert wars hat have toppled governments without congressional declarations of war.
    - Nearly every President since FDR has appointed White House Czars and despite the propaganda from the conservative media to their gullible followers, President Bush had 46 White House Czars. When the conservative pundits were accusing Obama of using Czars to subvert the constitution Obama had 32, 14 MORE that Bush.
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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    I voted no. Obama no worse than Bush or Reagan when it comes to wrong doing. Actually I don't think he's as bad.

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    Re: Should Obama be impeached?

    Certain RW posters put out these general platitudes about impeachment rather than specifics on issues.
    While DEMs rally around the GOP Tax Reform bill that House GOPs have killed by the Hastert rule.
    And McConnell has killed by the filibuster.
    D.C. pols only care about "talking" about tax reform .
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