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  • Crimea joins Russia.

    12 33.33%
  • All russians in Crimea pack their stuff and leave. Border changes intolerable in the 21c.

    6 16.67%
  • All stays as it is.

    3 8.33%
  • It's a dead end.

    0 0%
  • Start WWIII now!

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  • I don't know

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    Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Crimean referendum, 2014 | Wikipedia

    So, the crisis in Crimea goes on (with the referendum scheduled for the 16-th of March, 2014), but what's the best solution for it? Take your shot.

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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Crimean referendum, 2014 | Wikipedia

    So, the crisis in Crimea goes on (with the referendum scheduled for the 16-th of March, 2014), but what's the best solution for it? Take your shot.
    Crimea should be allowed to decide where it places its future, unfortunately it will be incorporated back into Russia regardless of what the population decides. The upcoming vote has already been decided by Putin, and between the occupation and blockade of international election monitors (only Russian allowed), the fix is in.

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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    In one perspective there is the Russian immigration and now this occupation of Ukrainian historical city. In this perspective it is incredibly unjust for a bully nation to get what it wants by force without the slightest consideration about the host nation, as well as international community, and change borders by force.

    On another perspective the majority of the people are Russian. On this grounds we won our independence from a brutal oppressive Milosevic system to begin with (more than 95% Albanians live in Dardania). Further, as it may be seen on my signature we in turn will ask for a referendum to join back to Albania as it was prior to Ottoman era retreat in 19th century. So cannot really be hypocritical here.

    The difference between Crimea and Dardania is that we are natives to here and Russians are not natives to Crimea, Ukrainians are. Is this enough to start WW3? No! Is it annoying for a bully to get its way by force and in spite? Hell YES!!
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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Crimean referendum, 2014 | Wikipedia

    So, the crisis in Crimea goes on (with the referendum scheduled for the 16-th of March, 2014), but what's the best solution for it? Take your shot.
    The ideal solution?

    Putin and Kiev get at the table and agree to let an international troop on Crimea, replacing the Russian soldiers which retreat back to their barracks on their naval base. Under surveillance of this international troops, a genuine, free referendum is held about the future of Crimea, and both Russia and Kiev agree to respect it.
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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Crimean referendum, 2014 | Wikipedia

    So, the crisis in Crimea goes on (with the referendum scheduled for the 16-th of March, 2014), but what's the best solution for it? Take your shot.
    The whole country should be put under a UN protectorship and regional populations should be allowed to work out how they want to live.

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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    The ideal solution?

    Putin and Kiev get at the table and agree to let an international troop on Crimea, replacing the Russian soldiers which retreat back to their barracks on their naval base. Under surveillance of this international troops, a genuine, free referendum is held about the future of Crimea, and both Russia and Kiev agree to respect it.
    And maybe have a third option of independence - with trade and political ties to both Urkaine and Russia. Locals could have Crimean citizenship, as well as citizenship in Ukraine or Russia.

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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    The ideal solution?

    Putin and Kiev get at the table and agree to let an international troop on Crimea, replacing the Russian soldiers which retreat back to their barracks on their naval base. Under surveillance of this international troops, a genuine, free referendum is held about the future of Crimea, and both Russia and Kiev agree to respect it.
    That sounds fair.
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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And maybe have a third option of independence - with trade and political ties to both Urkaine and Russia. Locals could have Crimean citizenship, as well as citizenship in Ukraine or Russia.
    Personally I think that's the best route as well. The Crimea needs to be neutral. With the Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed at Sevastopol - and nowhere else to go for now - it was bound to come to this. ((It would be like the US having all our east coast fleets based out of Guantanamo Bay. If that were the case, do you really think we would have let Castro take over Cuba?)) The Ukraine has the same problem, their fleet is also stationed there. Both need to build new naval bases ASAP and get those fleets out of there. That would relive a lot of the tension all by itself.
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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Personally I think that's the best route as well. The Crimea needs to be neutral. With the Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed at Sevastopol - and nowhere else to go for now - it was bound to come to this. ((It would be like the US having all our east coast fleets based out of Guantanamo Bay. If that were the case, do you really think we would have let Castro take over Cuba?)) The Ukraine has the same problem, their fleet is also stationed there. Both need to build new naval bases ASAP and get those fleets out of there. That would relive a lot of the tension all by itself.
    Russia does not have this option, which is why this is happening in the first place.

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    Re: Crimea - what's the best solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Russia does not have this option, which is why this is happening in the first place.
    Novorossiysk is already a commercial port, no reason the Russians can't build a naval base there.

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    The Ukraine can build theirs in Odessa, which is also a commercial port.


    Both countries have other options, though, it they're building from scratch. They have plenty of Black Sea coastline and explosives to make a man-made harbor if needed.
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