View Poll Results: Would you prefer to make $7.25 an hour or $7.25 an hour?

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  • $7.25 while minimum wage is $5.15

    15 41.67%
  • $7.25 while minimum wage is $7.25

    3 8.33%
  • It doesn't matter. They are the same.

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Thread: Which would you prefer?

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    where in the Constitution is the government charged with securing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or even charged with personal welfare instead of general welfare?
    Maybe it's on the back part.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Companies outsource to line their pockets with more money, not because of some absurd notion that they are struggling to pay wages.
    This doesn't negate the necessity to remain competitive in the global market. Yes, businessmen are greedy but you have to work with that reality when making policy.

    You can't just ignore bad things. Bad things do exist. Working within the framework of reality is necessary when you are trying to improve reality.

    If you make policy based upon what should be then it will fail miserably. You have to work with what is.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    judging from the cost of American made products and the quality you get from them, I would have to say using that for judgment, that American workers are lazy, low quality workers way too often.
    America used to have the reputation of producing superior products. Has anybody in here ever worked in the furniture business?

    Anybody heard of Ashley or Corinthian? Both companies are located here in the good ole USA. They both produce junk. Ashley and Corinthian does stand by their product. They offer amazing service but their products are crap. If your furniture breaks, they will replace with no problem. The problem with that is, your furniture breaks. Made in the USA.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    they can **** off and die for all I care.
    Can you think of a nicer way to describe this?

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    $7.25 would have more buying power. Raising the minimum wage is inflationary.
    In the OP all things were equal.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    In the OP all things were equal.
    I don't think all things could possibly be equal in that situation, and arbitrarily discarding the possible affects of lower min wage effectively eliminates any reason to debate the topic...or have a poll at all.
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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't think all things could possibly be equal in that situation, and arbitrarily discarding the possible affects of lower min wage effectively eliminates any reason to debate the topic...or have a poll at all.
    This thread was about the emotional response to being paid minimum wage. It had nothing to do with economics. Yes, a lower minimum wage would lower the cost of a lot of products and services. Yes, a lower minimum wage would encourage more people to start businesses. Yes, a lower minimum wage would prevent layoffs. That debate has been had in other threads.

    This was about the human response of being paid the minimum allowed by law. Some people are affected by it. Some people are not. It seems that you are not one of the people that would take offense to it.

    I wasn't trying to invoke an economic discussion.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Why don't companies move to better states, easy, it cost to damned much to move. Not to mention what the Labor board on the national level is going to bring down on you. Remember that mess with boeing? The weren't even moving, just opening up more capacity. I know of at least two companies that outsourced overseas because they weren't allowed to move states. If it wasn't so damned expensive and causing other problems, don't you think those in Cali would of been on the road already?

    There's an estimated 12 million illegals in the US. Why do so many of them have jobs and Americans don't? Because too many Americans are to damned lazy to do the work for the pay. They would rather lay around in the projects drawing welfare than actually work. And it's a damned shame the government allows them to.

    And they do not outsource only for labor costs. There are tax costs. The costs of EPA/Osha. They outsource for cost as the number one reason, but labor is not the only costs of doing business in the US. Further, judging from the cost of American made products and the quality you get from them, I would have to say using that for judgment, that American workers are lazy, low quality workers way too often.

    Frankly, I purposely buy Chinese and Mexican and other countries products over any God damned Liberal states. Liberals have ****ed up and ****ed over this country and anyone of them who gets their job outsourced deserves it and they can **** off and die for all I care.
    Thanks to globalists like you we will be at the mercy of these other countries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Thanks to globalists like you we will be at the mercy of these other countries.
    No. We will always be required to compete. This should probably be credited to the invention of the airplane, the internet, large shipping vessels and military weaponry that protects those shipping vessels.

    The world will continue to turn with or without globalists.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Thanks to globalists like you we will be at the mercy of these other countries.
    Better to be a free globalist than a slave to protectionist national-socialist.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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