View Poll Results: Would you prefer to make $7.25 an hour or $7.25 an hour?

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  • $7.25 while minimum wage is $7.25

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  • It doesn't matter. They are the same.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Personally, I'd feel better getting paid $7.25 while the minimum wage is $5.15 because if I was being paid minimum wage, I'd feel like my boss is secretly trying to tell me "Hey, I'd pay you less, but the law says I can't."
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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Let me see if I get this straight. The government slapped its lips on the cocks of big business and gave citizens the big middle finger by allowing companies to outsource and for some reason you think its not their job to provide for citizens who can not find sufficient work.
    How did the government do that? How could it prevent outsourcing? This government that has the cocks of big business in their mouths, would that be the same one that over regulates, kills opportunity with EPA and other rogue agencies? The same one that supports Labor Unions forcing higher labor costs? The same one with a minimum wage causing higher labor costs? The one that forces business to keep useless employees through labor laws? The same government that forces business to hand out benefits to those who's labor wouldn't otherwise earn them?

    Expansions in the global markets is what is causing outsourcing. A country with high labor rates cannot compete globally with a country like China that has very low labor rates. You can put every tariff you want on products, but in the end, at most it will force companies that wish to do business in America to produce what it sells in America here, not their entire operation. And that doesn't even consider the damage that it would cause when other nations reciprocate and put equal tariffs on our goods.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL You were born 100 years too late otherwise you would probably be "enjoying" one of those labor camps yourself. We will never go back to the hell of poorhouses and labor camps. The Govt. is charged with securing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and that includes not letting people starve or freeze to death.
    How do you come to the conclusion that I would be "enjoying" one of those labor camps? I also did not say poorhouses, I said farms. There is a difference. Also, where in the Constitution is the government charged with securing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or even charged with personal welfare instead of general welfare?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    That would make you feel good. Huh? It's fun to punish people and make fun of them for being poor. Then people could drive by, point and laugh. You could even take your kids by there to encourage them to make good grades in school.

    It sounds lovely world but you sound like a jerk. Very few people think this way. You do know that your fantasy will never be reality. Right?
    Has nothing at all to do with how I feel. It has to do with how to motivate people to do for themselves instead of rely upon others. How a society can exist without the need to enslave people through socialism.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How did the government do that?
    It entered into trade agreements with other countries that lowered tariffs resulting in it being cheap to actually make goods in other countries and import those goods here.
    How could it prevent outsourcing?
    Pull out of those trade agreements,

    This government that has the cocks of big business in their mouths, would that be the same one that over regulates, kills opportunity with EPA and other rogue agencies?
    Many of those regulations ensure safety for the worker and environment.So the idea that they are over regulation is ludicrous.

    The same one that supports Labor Unions forcing higher labor costs?
    Many states are right to work.If it was all them thar e-vile unions fault then those companies would have simply moved to right to work states.
    The same one with a minimum wage causing higher labor costs?
    Wages have little to do with the cost of goods.Companies outsource to line their pockets with more money, not because of some absurd notion that they are struggling to pay wages.

    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    Originally published Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 12:00 AM


    Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns...

    By Drew DeSilver

    Seattle Times business reporter

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.





    The one that forces business to keep useless employees through labor laws?
    Many states have at will employment.It was issue of companies having to keep useless workers then they would have moved to at will states.

    The same government that forces business to hand out benefits to those who's labor wouldn't otherwise earn them?
    Many companies do not hand out benefits to employees who didn't earn them.

    Expansions in the global markets is what is causing outsourcing. A country with high labor rates cannot compete globally with a country like China that has very low labor rates.
    Companies outsource to the likes of China because they can their workers next to nothing,

    You can put every tariff you want on products, but in the end, at most it will force companies that wish to do business in America to produce what it sells in America here, not their entire operation. And that doesn't even consider the damage that it would cause when other nations reciprocate and put equal tariffs on our goods.
    What a pack of lies.We have been doing business for decades before companies started outsourcing left and right to China.
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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It entered into trade agreements with other countries that lowered tariffs resulting in it being cheap to actually make goods in other countries and import those goods here.


    Pull out of those trade agreements,



    Many of those regulations ensure safety for the worker and environment.So the idea that they are over regulation is ludicrous.


    Many states are right to work.If it was all them thar e-vile unions fault then those companies would have simply moved to right to work states.


    Wages have little to do with the cost of goods.Companies outsource to line their pockets with more money, not because of some absurd notion that they are struggling to pay wages.

    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    Originally published Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 12:00 AM


    Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns...

    By Drew DeSilver

    Seattle Times business reporter

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.







    Many states have at will employment.It was issue of companies having to keep useless workers then they would have moved to at will states.



    Many companies do not hand out benefits to employees who didn't earn them.


    Companies outsource to the likes of China because they can their workers next to nothing,



    What a pack of lies.We have been doing business for decades before companies started outsourcing left and right to China.
    Which ones, name them, then look at their profit margins. I am going to when you name them. Why, because I've checked some of them before. The profit margins don't show the picture your claiming.

    Outsourcing has been going on for decades. At least since the 1950s, nor is China the only place to where outsourcing is going.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    I would prefer rootebega.


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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It entered into trade agreements with other countries that lowered tariffs resulting in it being cheap to actually make goods in other countries and import those goods here.


    Pull out of those trade agreements,



    Many of those regulations ensure safety for the worker and environment.So the idea that they are over regulation is ludicrous.


    Many states are right to work.If it was all them thar e-vile unions fault then those companies would have simply moved to right to work states.


    Wages have little to do with the cost of goods.Companies outsource to line their pockets with more money, not because of some absurd notion that they are struggling to pay wages.

    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    Originally published Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 12:00 AM


    Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns...

    By Drew DeSilver

    Seattle Times business reporter

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.







    Many states have at will employment.It was issue of companies having to keep useless workers then they would have moved to at will states.



    Many companies do not hand out benefits to employees who didn't earn them.


    Companies outsource to the likes of China because they can their workers next to nothing,



    What a pack of lies.We have been doing business for decades before companies started outsourcing left and right to China.
    Why don't companies move to better states, easy, it cost to damned much to move. Not to mention what the Labor board on the national level is going to bring down on you. Remember that mess with boeing? The weren't even moving, just opening up more capacity. I know of at least two companies that outsourced overseas because they weren't allowed to move states. If it wasn't so damned expensive and causing other problems, don't you think those in Cali would of been on the road already?

    There's an estimated 12 million illegals in the US. Why do so many of them have jobs and Americans don't? Because too many Americans are to damned lazy to do the work for the pay. They would rather lay around in the projects drawing welfare than actually work. And it's a damned shame the government allows them to.

    And they do not outsource only for labor costs. There are tax costs. The costs of EPA/Osha. They outsource for cost as the number one reason, but labor is not the only costs of doing business in the US. Further, judging from the cost of American made products and the quality you get from them, I would have to say using that for judgment, that American workers are lazy, low quality workers way too often.

    Frankly, I purposely buy Chinese and Mexican and other countries products over any God damned Liberal states. Liberals have ****ed up and ****ed over this country and anyone of them who gets their job outsourced deserves it and they can **** off and die for all I care.
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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    $7.25 would have more buying power. Raising the minimum wage is inflationary.

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    All else being equal there is no difference.



    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It would seem to make more rational sense to compare with a Big Mac. But psychologically humans derive a lot from being 'better' than others. There has been lots of research that confirms that.
    Humans in general?
    Or, specifically, Americans or Europeans or wherever?? Where was this "research" carried out?
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