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Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

All rules have expectations to it, but they are rules for a reason none the less.

There are no real rules for parenting though nor even how people of a gender are supposed to act, and that is the problem with this line of arguing. Too many want to believe that the genders should be a certain way and that parenting should always be a certain way.
 
And we do not raise children based on a bell curve. People are not good parents based on qualities found on a bell curve.

As for that picture, I would say that is a stereotype. I am more likely to be the one throwing my child in the air and my husband being paranoid. (Seriously, my husband would protect our children from ever going out of the house if he could. I got talked to about taking them into crowds til they were about 2 years old. Me on the other hand, I'm all about taking some minor risks with them, such as exposing them to people or carrying them on my shoulders, even now with the youngest being 4.)



Okay, you and your husband are exceptions. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of the population looks at that picture and chuckles, because most experienced fathers being more inclined to allow for risk and mothers more protective and risk-adverse. Which was part of my point, but only part.


Men =/= Women.

Fathers =/= Mothers.


In *general*.
 
... and I say this AS a single father who raised a son without benefit of a woman around the house. Yes, you can cover a lot of ground, metaphorically speaking, as a parent if you have to.


However, I was still very glad that my son and his grandmother were close; she gave him a positive female role-model, that is to say a living example of what a good woman was like. With me alone, he would not have had that.
 
Okay, you and your husband are exceptions. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of the population looks at that picture and chuckles, because most experienced fathers being more inclined to allow for risk and mothers more protective and risk-adverse. Which was part of my point, but only part.


Men =/= Women.

Fathers =/= Mothers.


In *general*.

As I've said before, children are not raised "in general". They are raised individually and have individual needs. And anyone who raises them will have individual personalities which are separate from their genders. Their gender may have a role in why they have those specific personalities, but it is not important to whether or not they raise their children well.
 
Diversity is a good thing, not overrated. There is plenty of evidence that fathers can provide what mothers do and mothers can provide what fathers do. Many women are caregivers, not all. But men can be caregivers too. There are many great men who are/were teachers and plenty of very good male nurses out there.

You will notice that i never said it was a bad thing, but that only it is overrated, in which it is. What differences people have today people consider to be a good thing, or at least fought for towards those ends, so they start making up facts out of thin air or relying on exceptions to the rule to argue some sort of rule, as you are doing here. Even when men are different from their the vast majority of their peers and are more caregivers than protectors there is still a noticeable difference between how they behave with their children than what a mother that would also be considered a caregiver will behave. Also, a male teacher and nurse does not interact and behave in the same manner as a female teacher or nurse even when they are more geared towards the caregiving side. There just is differences between the sexes, sorry.
 
As I've said before, children are not raised "in general". They are raised individually and have individual needs. And anyone who raises them will have individual personalities which are separate from their genders. Their gender may have a role in why they have those specific personalities, but it is not important to whether or not they raise their children well.


We seem to be miscommunicating, or possibly using different terms or something.

An individual child is not raised "in general", it is raised by one or more parents, yes. However, 'children' as a whole are raised mainly by parents on the middle part of the bell curve. Ignoring the norm in favor of the exception does not make the norm go away.

In general, women and men are not the same, and mothers and fathers are not the same, and do not parent exactly the same, nor role-model exactly the same. I'd think this was obvious... uncommon exceptions aside.
 
You miss the point. You are trying to apply one set of gender qualities that you saw in your parents to every person of that gender.
No I'm not. I'm saying that gender effects parenting. And I gave examples to show that. I didn't say all women are like my mother and men are like my father. That's your interpretation of what I said and it is a distortion of my words.

I did not say that you couldn't prove it about your father, but rather fathers in general or your mother but rather mothers in general.

Ok. Well, I'm saying that you cannot prove that fathers in general could comfort me like my mother.

Not all women are caring or supportive or willing to give kisses

You are right about that. Some are heartless and cruel, and I'm glad I didn't have such a mother.

but there are men who are that way.

Well my father sure wasn't about kissing me. Matter of fact don't ever remember him kissing me. I remember getting into a fight with a sixth grader when I was in the fourth grade. I came home and my father laughed at me. lol

And not all fathers are willing to discipline or give guidance or be strong role models, while many women are.

Well my father kicked a$$. Even at his funeral people talked about how he used to kick a$$. My mother wasn't a slouch in that regard either. I remember I was about 13 and my mother told me to do something I didn't like. I don't remember exactly how I responded but she didn't like it and she slapped me so hard! Damn!!!
 
If you never succumbed to peer pressure you are a rare one. Frankly, I find it hard to believe, no offense.

I don't think I did. No offense taken. I've always been very independent in my thinking. I may have succumbed when I was quite young, but don't remember ever doing it as a teen or older.
 
Me? No way.

I had a triple digit IQ
 
I don't think I did. No offense taken. I've always been very independent in my thinking. I may have succumbed when I was quite young, but don't remember ever doing it as a teen or older.

That's good for you. I think one of the reasons I have such an independent streak now is because I can remember doing things simply to fit in when I was in my early teens. Makes me a little mad when I think about it. That and when I think about how I used to believe in Santa Claus. LOL
 
That's good for you. I think one of the reasons I have such an independent streak now is because I can remember doing things simply to fit in when I was in my early teens. Makes me a little mad when I think about it. That and when I think about how I used to believe in Santa Claus. LOL

I remember an incident of people succumbing to peer pressure when I was 11 and me confronting them all on it. That incident stuck with me, one reason I think I didn't feed into it after.
 
I remember an incident of people succumbing to peer pressure when I was 11 and me confronting them all on it. That incident stuck with me, one reason I think I didn't feed into it after.

Well I'm glad they weren't playing knockout when I was a teenager. Seems like one of those things I might I have done.
 
This thread brings to mind the memorably stupid things I did as a kid.

And later, actually...hmm.
 
as i mentioned many times, decades ago it did exist when i was in HS, but only losers did it that were trying to be cool and or tough.

The difference was there was no cell phones or way to film it
 

Well, apparently you are afraid of something or you would clarify your statement as requested. Now what could you possibly be afraid of...
 
Well, apparently you are afraid of something or you would clarify your statement as requested. Now what could you possibly be afraid of...

I would, but I can't. :mrgreen:
 
as i mentioned many times, decades ago it did exist when i was in HS, but only losers did it that were trying to be cool and or tough.

The difference was there was no cell phones or way to film it
The proliferation of easily usable still and video cameras or devices with cameras built into them, and the affect said proliferation had on society, will probably be a the topic of many studies after a few decades or so.


Personally I think it's a good thing, because we're starting to realize how truly stupid we really are.

Or something? :lol:
 
The proliferation of easily usable still and video cameras or devices with cameras built into them, and the affect said proliferation had on society, will probably be a the topic of many studies after a few decades or so.


Personally I think it's a good thing, because we're starting to realize how truly stupid we really are.

Or something? :lol:

I agree 100%
 
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