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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And you can't prove that my father could do it like my mother, because you are not me.

    You can try to pontificate as if you know how things work, and I need you to tell me how they do. But if you think you are going to make a genderless society, you are living in fantasy land.

    Yep, every person is different in this world. And a person's gender has a large effect on their behavior and their personality.
    You miss the point. You are trying to apply one set of gender qualities that you saw in your parents to every person of that gender. I did not say that you couldn't prove it about your father, but rather fathers in general or your mother but rather mothers in general. Not all women are caring or supportive or willing to give kisses, but there are men who are that way. And not all fathers are willing to discipline or give guidance or be strong role models, while many women are.
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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And children should not all be raised the same anyway. Personally I like a lot of diversity in our world.
    Diversity is vastly overrated in todays society. There is evidence to suggest that fathers provide what a mother does or a mother provides what a father does. Genders does play a part in how people parent their children and what they provide to the child. It has been known for a very very long time that women are the caregivers of the world, and you can not only see this in their parenting, but also in how they handle themselves in all walks of life, and yes, that includes politics. A great man once said that women are made to be the nurses and teachers of the world, and I see nothing that challenges his wisdom.

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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The bell curve... there are less and less common extremes on both ends, but the bulk place somewhere in the middle.

    Our personalities are not utterly dependent on gender no... but they are most assuredly affected by gender, not only culturally but also biologically and by hormonal effects on the brain and body.

    There are exceptions, but on the whole the majority of men and women are different, and approach parenting in different ways.





    There's a reason why almost everyone knows what this means, and most laugh...

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    And we do not raise children based on a bell curve. People are not good parents based on qualities found on a bell curve.

    As for that picture, I would say that is a stereotype. I am more likely to be the one throwing my child in the air and my husband being paranoid. (Seriously, my husband would protect our children from ever going out of the house if he could. I got talked to about taking them into crowds til they were about 2 years old. Me on the other hand, I'm all about taking some minor risks with them, such as exposing them to people or carrying them on my shoulders, even now with the youngest being 4.)
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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You miss the point. You are trying to apply one set of gender qualities that you saw in your parents to every person of that gender. I did not say that you couldn't prove it about your father, but rather fathers in general or your mother but rather mothers in general. Not all women are caring or supportive or willing to give kisses, but there are men who are that way. And not all fathers are willing to discipline or give guidance or be strong role models, while many women are.
    All rules have expectations to it, but they are rules for a reason none the less.

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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Diversity is vastly overrated in todays society. There is evidence to suggest that fathers provide what a mother does or a mother provides what a father does. Genders does play a part in how people parent their children and what they provide to the child. It has been known for a very very long time that women are the caregivers of the world, and you can not only see this in their parenting, but also in how they handle themselves in all walks of life, and yes, that includes politics. A great man once said that women are made to be the nurses and teachers of the world, and I see nothing that challenges his wisdom.
    Diversity is a good thing, not overrated. There is plenty of evidence that fathers can provide what mothers do and mothers can provide what fathers do. Many women are caregivers, not all. But men can be caregivers too. There are many great men who are/were teachers and plenty of very good male nurses out there.
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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All rules have expectations to it, but they are rules for a reason none the less.
    There are no real rules for parenting though nor even how people of a gender are supposed to act, and that is the problem with this line of arguing. Too many want to believe that the genders should be a certain way and that parenting should always be a certain way.
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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And we do not raise children based on a bell curve. People are not good parents based on qualities found on a bell curve.

    As for that picture, I would say that is a stereotype. I am more likely to be the one throwing my child in the air and my husband being paranoid. (Seriously, my husband would protect our children from ever going out of the house if he could. I got talked to about taking them into crowds til they were about 2 years old. Me on the other hand, I'm all about taking some minor risks with them, such as exposing them to people or carrying them on my shoulders, even now with the youngest being 4.)


    Okay, you and your husband are exceptions. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of the population looks at that picture and chuckles, because most experienced fathers being more inclined to allow for risk and mothers more protective and risk-adverse. Which was part of my point, but only part.


    Men =/= Women.

    Fathers =/= Mothers.


    In *general*.

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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    ... and I say this AS a single father who raised a son without benefit of a woman around the house. Yes, you can cover a lot of ground, metaphorically speaking, as a parent if you have to.


    However, I was still very glad that my son and his grandmother were close; she gave him a positive female role-model, that is to say a living example of what a good woman was like. With me alone, he would not have had that.

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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, you and your husband are exceptions. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of the population looks at that picture and chuckles, because most experienced fathers being more inclined to allow for risk and mothers more protective and risk-adverse. Which was part of my point, but only part.


    Men =/= Women.

    Fathers =/= Mothers.


    In *general*.
    As I've said before, children are not raised "in general". They are raised individually and have individual needs. And anyone who raises them will have individual personalities which are separate from their genders. Their gender may have a role in why they have those specific personalities, but it is not important to whether or not they raise their children well.
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    Re: Would you have played knockout as a teenager because of peer pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Diversity is a good thing, not overrated. There is plenty of evidence that fathers can provide what mothers do and mothers can provide what fathers do. Many women are caregivers, not all. But men can be caregivers too. There are many great men who are/were teachers and plenty of very good male nurses out there.
    You will notice that i never said it was a bad thing, but that only it is overrated, in which it is. What differences people have today people consider to be a good thing, or at least fought for towards those ends, so they start making up facts out of thin air or relying on exceptions to the rule to argue some sort of rule, as you are doing here. Even when men are different from their the vast majority of their peers and are more caregivers than protectors there is still a noticeable difference between how they behave with their children than what a mother that would also be considered a caregiver will behave. Also, a male teacher and nurse does not interact and behave in the same manner as a female teacher or nurse even when they are more geared towards the caregiving side. There just is differences between the sexes, sorry.

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