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It's official - common sense is not common.
So you actually believe that a woman deciding to wear a skirt to the store....bears some level of responsibility for the guy behind her in line deciding to sneak a picture up her clothing?
You seem to hold a very unique understanding of social norms and personal privacy.....one might even refer to it as warped.
I like having the freedom to wear what I WANT to wear here in America and not let certain types of men try to make excuses for THEIR own bad behaviors. Act like a damn human being instead of dirtbag. IT is really simple.
At night in a strange neighborhood? Yes, she bears some responsibility.
You might want to take 5 minutes and understand the human condition before you step back outside.
Bull, PLENTY of men do not do this. Quit making lame excuses for weirdos.
You might want to take 5 minutes and understand the human condition before you step back outside.
You sir...do not define or even seem to understand the "Human" condition, and should come with a warning when entering a public space. I have come to the conclusion you are likely one of these wonderful upskirt photographers and probably far worse.
You should be ashamed....but it is very unlikely you are.
Please tell me you do not live anywhere near me.
If I lived in Kentucky, I wouldn't admit it.
You also may want to...I dunno...read the thread before you continue your "Gipper's a perv" retardation-based vomit.
Actually, the entire reason for my assumptions would be due to reading this thread.
If you can't define behavior such that I know when I'm breaking the law then you have accomplished nothing and created no law. The same system that gives you the right to take a video of a public fight or a parent hugging a child in public also gives others the right to take a video (from behind) of a woman's ass in a bikini walking down the beach. Religious zealots will approve of one and call the other a sin but that doesn't make either of them wrong.
No, it's not easy. I'm sure you'd like to believe that but it really isn't. What you and most others arguing your same point are trying to do is legislate morality. That almost never works.
We can manage to have laws that say you cannot walk down the street with inadequate clothes on without difficulty. That these rules are different on the beach to the town center is also easy.
That is utterly stupid beyond belief.
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.
This entire thread is rather ridiculous.
Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.
This entire thread is rather ridiculous.
Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
Never, actually. Even in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Still no responsibility.Daylight in a convenience store? No.
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.
This entire thread is rather ridiculous.
Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
Never, actually. Even in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Still no responsibility.
Way I look at it is this: If a woman dresses to show off, the rules are "look all you damn well please but don't touch unless invited to do so".
Granted that almost means taking upskirt photos is fine, but the line is a bit blurry.
Of course if the clothing is so short that bending over = can see underwear, that's another story entirely.
The bottom line is this: Not all of society plays by your rules. When you operate in a society based on "should", you're leaving out various (yet obvious) elements.
I should be able to drive a Ferrari through the east side of Detroit at night. That doesn't mean I would, or that it's advisable. Just having a 6 figure car doesn't give others permission to jack my car at gunpoint, but to ignore that it happens because "that isn't right" is deluded as all hell.
Hello? This is why we have LAWS against rape. Rape is illegal in daytime and nighttime, inside or outside. :roll:
Would she bear responsibility if he'd raped her instead?
Daylight in a convenience store? No.
At night in a strange neighborhood? Yes, she bears some responsibility.
Yes it is. And looking up your skirt IS NOT RAPE.
You WERE talking about rape.
In the situation I described, she does, indeed, bear some responsibility. It is still rape. It is still illegal. The perpetrator should still go to jail.
She is not absolved by any of the last 3 statements.
Your thinking is backwards ass. She does NOT bear responsibility because another person made a conscious decision to violate her, regardless of what she is wearing or NOT wearing. Even prostitutes and strippers have rights against being violated against their will.
And some asshole can take that right away pretty fast.