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Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

Taking an upskirt photo should

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ChrisL said:
Ugh, my ex-boyfriend's sister had taken a picture of her little daughter getting out of the bathtub with her bare bottom to the camera and had hung in the bathroom because she thought it was "trendy." They are really wealthy yuppies. I told her that she should probably not have that picture displayed like that. Although family and friends who love her might find it endearing, there are TOO many weirdos around.
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Exactly and with molestation on children usually occuring from a friend or family member, it's best to always protect your child as much as possible from those types and not encourage it.
 
ChrisL said:
Please, can you not discern the difference between taking a picture of a person walking on the beach, regardless of what is exposed, and coming up behind an unsuspecting woman and sticking a camera under her dress or skirt? Give me a break. You are just arguing for argument's sake.
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I can, sure.

But the law can't.

That's the problem.
 
americanwoman said:
As the parent you have certain permissions to video/photograph your child. I know in my state I've had to sign release forms at school and daycare for them to post pictures of my daughter online. Now if a neighbor can see right into your bathroom and also videotapes the bath, that is illegal.

Would you as a parent videotape your child's bath and post it online?
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Yes. I have.

Is there a chance some sicko is gonna get off on the vid? Sure. But that is far out weighted by the joy brought to my parents who live over 1,000 miles away getting to share in the lives of their grand kids.

And some sicko getting off on that vid isn't hurting my kids.
 
ChrisL said:
Ugh, my ex-boyfriend's sister had taken a picture of her little daughter getting out of the bathtub with her bare bottom to the camera and had hung in the bathroom because she thought it was "trendy." They are really wealthy yuppies. I told her that she should probably not have that picture displayed like that. Although family and friends who love her might find it endearing, there are TOO many weirdos around.
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Does she invite many sickos into her bathroom, as a matter of policy, lol?
 
americanwoman said:
Exactly and with molestation on children usually occuring from a friend or family member, it's best to always protect your child as much as possible from those types and not encourage it.
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And a picture on the net or the bathroom wall is the difference between molestation by a dirty uncle or not?
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, they can and do in other states, as I posted for you. :)
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And according to what you posted, my beach photo is technically illegal and wrong, if one of subjects captured in the images decides it is.
 
ChrisL said:
Yeah, but that IS illegal in Massachusetts. :roll:

So a guy comes up behind me and starts taking pictures under my skirt. What is my recourse? I mean, legally, there is absolutely nothing I could do about it. Does this mean I have to tolerate this and do nothing? Bullcrap! I'm going to go to jail I guess.
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Like I said...My world you should be able to eviscerate him on the spot. Maybe break the fingers on his camera hand. Id let you off in the jury trial.
 
KevinKohler said:
Yes. I have.

Is there a chance some sicko is gonna get off on the vid? Sure. But that is far out weighted by the joy brought to my parents who live over 1,000 miles away getting to share in the lives of their grand kids.

And some sicko getting off on that vid isn't hurting my kids.
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Yes, well I feel differently about that. But I think you can distinguish the fact that you have given permission of your child to be videotaped and shown online to grandparents rather than someone sneakingly doing it and then posting it online. Would you have a problem if someone other than yourself or the child's mother took a picture or video of your child and posted it online?
 
KevinKohler said:
Does she invite many sickos into her bathroom, as a matter of policy, lol?
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You never know who's a "sicko." It's not always so obvious.
 
VanceMack said:
Like I said...My world you should be able to eviscerate him on the spot. Maybe break the fingers on his camera hand. Id let you off in the jury trial.
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:lol: I wouldn't go THAT far, but I would kick him in the face and maybe knock some teeth out of his head. Then he might think twice before he tried it again.
 
The real way to make this crap go away is to simply enforce existing laws. Upskirt and voyeurism is a division of the porn industry. Which is for profit. Which means, those images being used without a release from the model is illegal.

The real issue is, the models aren't even aware their images have been taken, and are being used.
 
KevinKohler said:
And a picture on the net or the bathroom wall is the difference between molestation by a dirty uncle or not?
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Why don't you post a picture of yourself at bathtime right here so we can all see how you don't mind yourself being in a compromising situation? Come on, it's not a big deal for a child, why not man up and put yourself out there for all to see?
 
KevinKohler said:
And according to what you posted, my beach photo is technically illegal and wrong, if one of subjects captured in the images decides it is.
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People at the beach are aware of possible gawkers and have the opportunity to dress as they feel fit. People on the subway do not give the same permissions and dress to prevent it....the issue is bypassing this by invading her privacy with purposeful intent.

There is a reason she is not walking around in her panties.
 
Gipper said:
Thanks for the sig.
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Fine, you can use it. It's funny, and I don't really care. THIS one doesn't seem so mean-spirited on your part at least.
 
americanwoman said:
Why don't you post a picture of yourself at bathtime right here so we can all see how you don't mind yourself being in a compromising situation? Come on, it's not a big deal for a child, why not man up and put yourself out there for all to see?
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....Please.....NO!
 
KevinKohler said:
I can, sure.

But the law can't.

That's the problem.
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The law can.

Clothing optional (nude) beaches, and nudist "camps" and such vs. indecent exposure.

Same way the law decides what's assault and what's self defense.

Come on man.....this isn't that difficult.

The law WILL be able to distinguish between an "upskirt" on a lady going to work on public transportation, and a paparazzi getting a beaver shot of Brittney Spears getting out of a limo with no underwear on and micro-mini skirt.

It's just not that difficult.

The other possible "work-around" for some "artists" who may wish to push the definition of the law might be to require them to get signed permission from the person who was photographed.
 
americanwoman said:
Yes, well I feel differently about that. But I think you can distinguish the fact that you have given permission of your child to be videotaped and shown online to grandparents rather than someone sneakingly doing it and then posting it online. Would you have a problem if someone other than yourself or the child's mother took a picture or video of your child and posted it online?
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If the images was taken while they were in private property, like through a window into my house? Of course. Out in public? Not so much. It's through my actions and will that my children are in public in the first place, and past that, there's nothing I could do about it anyway. And last, some perv spanking it to a picture of my daughter in a bathing suit at the beach harms my daughter...NOT AT ALL.

If I saw someone taking pics in the beach scenario, and it was obvious they were only taking pictures of my daughter, and not just "beach photos", and confront them and ask them why they're photographing my daughter. I'd inform them of the law, concerning model release issues...and ultimately, if the photog gave me a bad vibe, me and the kids would leave.
 
Dragonfly said:
The law can.

Clothing optional (nude) beaches, and nudist "camps" and such vs. indecent exposure.

Same way the law decides what's assault and what's self defense.

Come on man.....this isn't that difficult.

The law WILL be able to distinguish between an "upskirt" on a lady going to work on public transportation, and a paparazzi getting a beaver shot of Brittney Spears getting out of a limo with no underwear on and micro-mini skirt.

It's just not that difficult.

The other possible "work-around" for some "artists" who may wish to push the definition of the law might be to require them to get signed permission from the person who was photographed.
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Yeah, assault vs self defense, lol.

That's clear as crystal, right?
 
KevinKohler said:
If the images was taken while they were in private property, like through a window into my house? Of course. Out in public? Not so much. It's through my actions and will that my children are in public in the first place, and past that, there's nothing I could do about it anyway. And last, some perv spanking it to a picture of my daughter in a bathing suit at the beach harms my daughter...NOT AT ALL.

If I saw someone taking pics in the beach scenario, and it was obvious they were only taking pictures of my daughter, and not just "beach photos", and confront them and ask them why they're photographing my daughter. I'd inform them of the law, concerning model release issues...and ultimately, if the photog gave me a bad vibe, me and the kids would leave.
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Stop with the beach analogy and bathing suits. JUST STOP!!!!

That's not even close to relevant here.

Sheeessshhhhhh ......
 
ChrisL said:
You never know who's a "sicko." It's not always so obvious.
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I refuse to change my lifestyle and way of being, and live in fear of less than 1% of the population.
 
KevinKohler said:
I refuse to change my lifestyle and way of being, and live in fear of less than 1% of the population.
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Did I suggest that you change your lifestyle somewhere?
 
americanwoman said:
Why don't you post a picture of yourself at bathtime right here so we can all see how you don't mind yourself being in a compromising situation? Come on, it's not a big deal for a child, why not man up and put yourself out there for all to see?
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I had a nude self portrait of myself hanging at the gallery in my college for 2 months.



Be careful what you ask for.
 
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