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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you think, that just because a woman/lady/girl is wearing a skirt/dress, you have a RIGHT to not only see what she's wearing underneath, but you can also photograph it without her consent or knowledge of what you're doing?
    Don't characterize what I said incorrectly. What I said is that if a person (not specifically me) can see it with their own two eyes-- and it is in a public place; then it would follow that they would have a right to photograph it. If the woman doesn't want it seen, then it's up to her to be certain that it is not seen.

    You do not need someone's permission to be photographed in a public place unless you are using their image for commercial purposes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Do you also have a RIGHT to yank her dress down so you can get a better shot? Afterall - it's not like she's naked or anything.
    No, and I never said that, so let's not be intellectually dishonst here. Touching her person would be a battery. If the reason for that touching was sexual, then most states call that a sexual battery, so there are already laws that cover that.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Taken from NBC online news:
    The legislation says anyone who "photographs, videotapes or electronically surveils" another person's sexual or intimate parts without that person's consent would face a misdemeanor charge and a maximum penalty of two-and-a-half years in jail and a $5,000 fine.

    The crime becomes a felony with a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for photographs or recordings of a child under 18. Distributing such photos would carry a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Murray said those who take such photos sometimes post them on pornographic websites.
    I'm sorry but this new legislation seems like a typical knee-jerk reaction by politicians and I would expect that the supreme court of Mass. might have a different view of this new law. First of all does "sexual parts" include a woman's clothed breasts? Since the state already defines the intentional unwanted touching of a woman's breasts as a "sexual battery", does that mean that the unwanted viewing and photographing of a woman's clothed breasts, rear-end and crotch now become an assault too, even when the "sexual parts" are photographed? How would this jibe with a photographer's first amendment rights under the US Constitution? How do you prove that a man taking photographs at the beach (without a telephoto lens or other technology) isn't in violation of this law? Like I said before, in a public place (a place where you have no reasonable expectation of privacy), if you can see it clearly without using extra means to see it, you should be allowed to photograph it. If a woman wears a low top or a short skirt and a guy can see over or under her clothes, that is on her. Are we really wanting to make photography without consent a crime?

    Maybe the law should include having a man's eyes put out with hot irons... or forcing women to wear burkas in public? Is that where we are heading in this country?
    I agree that it is a typical knee-jerk political reaction. If I were a legislator, while I agree it should be illegal, I would not vote for this law in this form. The penalties are too harsh. Years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines is way over-the-top for this particular issue.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Sorry, I had to go for the joke vote and choose option 3.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Replace flirty with flashing and you are there.
    You're just replacing one word with a different word denoting the same concept. It still doesn't wash, legally.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ah yeah - you're right.

    But still - there has to be something that alreayd exists which should stand to protect women from such behavior. What kind of a society can't punish someone for being just so sleazy? You know - a bit of frustration here. Does everything need explicit wording or something?
    In a court of law? Yes, everything needs to be explicitly worded. Haven't you seen lawyers fighting over the difference between 'a' and 'the' or with a comma or not? They'll argue over anything unless the wording is virtually unambiguous - and sometimes they'll argue anyway!


    I can understand the frustration. For example, there's a big difference (to me) between someone using a backhoe in the middle of the day and someone cranking up their stereo in the middle of the day. But legally there's no real difference. Both are covered under noise laws and the backhoe is just as loud if not louder than the 'music'. So, while I really dislike the guy next door (in our OLD neighborhood, thank goodness!) craning up his music during the day, there isn't much I can do about it. Arguably, it's no worse than someone using construction equipment. *shrug*

    The same applies here. Tim the plumber is trying to pin down "flirty" behavior but women intentionally and unintentionally "flash" their panties all the time. I couldn't count the number of (probably not intentional) "beaver shots" I've seen in my lifetime. How are you going to legally tell the difference between a woman who accidentally flashes from one who doesn't? I mean, if a woman wears a short skirt and "happens" to flash, isn't it still intentional? Otherwise, why would she be wearing the short skirt?
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I hope they defined the illegal angle from horizontal of the waist (maybe?) or other such technicality or that "law" is nothing but a political show and waste of the public's time.

    If a woman is sitting down facing me and her short skirt doesn't conceal her panties, is it OK then?
    How about those low-cut evening gowns that show more cleavage than some bikini's?
    How about the punk rockers who show most of their bra as part of their attire?

    It's going to take a lot more than some vague law to resolve this issue --- and if it happened that fast I can almost guarantee we'll revisit this issue in the near future.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Look, nobody is saying taking this picture will now become illegal:



    Neither will taking this photo:


    Neither will taking this photo:


    This guy however -

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You're just replacing one word with a different word denoting the same concept. It still doesn't wash, legally.


    In a court of law? Yes, everything needs to be explicitly worded. Haven't you seen lawyers fighting over the difference between 'a' and 'the' or with a comma or not? They'll argue over anything unless the wording is virtually unambiguous - and sometimes they'll argue anyway!


    I can understand the frustration. For example, there's a big difference (to me) between someone using a backhoe in the middle of the day and someone cranking up their stereo in the middle of the day. But legally there's no real difference. Both are covered under noise laws and the backhoe is just as loud if not louder than the 'music'. So, while I really dislike the guy next door (in our OLD neighborhood, thank goodness!) craning up his music during the day, there isn't much I can do about it. Arguably, it's no worse than someone using construction equipment. *shrug*

    The same applies here. Tim the plumber is trying to pin down "flirty" behavior but women intentionally and unintentionally "flash" their panties all the time. I couldn't count the number of (probably not intentional) "beaver shots" I've seen in my lifetime. How are you going to legally tell the difference between a woman who accidentally flashes from one who doesn't? I mean, if a woman wears a short skirt and "happens" to flash, isn't it still intentional? Otherwise, why would she be wearing the short skirt?
    OMG! Seriously? Yes, us women wear a short skirt so some weirdo can STICK A CAMERA UP OUR SKIRTS AND TAKE PICTURES. Are you for real?

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Look, nobody is saying taking this picture will now become illegal:



    Neither will taking this photo:


    Neither will taking this photo:


    This guy however -
    Absolutely. I have to wonder if some people are just dumb.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    OMG! Seriously? Yes, us women wear a short skirt so some weirdo can STICK A CAMERA UP OUR SKIRTS AND TAKE PICTURES. Are you for real?
    Haven't you been following? It's obviously all the fault of the female. If she wears a skirt or dress, she's literally inviting men to do whatever they deem necessary to not only see what she's wearing underneath, but to also get photographic evidence, regardless of consent or knowledge of said female.

    Women. It's their fault. They are the temptress. The demon temptress.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Can we really have a problem, if women from the Show-Me State, just show us what they are all about in modern times?
    Most Missouri women are prudes and I have a lifetime of experience to back up that statement.
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