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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Our society is too uptight for that to happen any time soon.
    So are you saying that people should have the right to go nude in pubic, but American society is not ready for it?

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    Why does Europe not have nearly as much of a problem with social nudity as we Americans do?
    Off the top of my head, I honestly don't know. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it though.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Can we really have a problem, if women from the Show-Me State, just show us what they are all about in modern times?

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, here we have a court saying it's not even against the LAW. And here we have you saying a parent is within his right to shoot the guy. No, it's just not that big a deal. Would I report him? Would I try to get him prosecuted if I could? Yes. And yes. I would downplay the incident with my daughter and not make the biggest issue in the world over it. And I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking someone's life over such a ridiculous thing as that.

    Hell, a Peeping Tom is worse, in my opinion. You might get away with shooting him right at the time claiming you were in fear of your daughter's life . . . but if you saw him the next day and blew him away? Well, you've just lost your daughter a father. 'Cause your ass is going to be in jail.

    Lordy.
    I would take such instances on a case-by-case basis. One would have to consider exactly how the parental defense laws are written--they surely vary from state to state--and the particular circumstances of individual cases.

    I will say steadfastly that, in extreme cases, I have absolutely no problem with a parent's pointing a loaded gun at a perpetrator and requiring him to immediately leave the child alone--and, should worst come to worst, pulling the trigger. Without getting long-winded, I would say that roughly the same rules should apply for self-defense and defense of one's child.

    And we are going to have to agree to disagree that physical violence, even murder, is inherently worse than sexual violence.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Can we really have a problem, if women from the Show-Me State, just show us what they are all about in modern times?
    I remember when I used to go to church, I listened to the preacher give a sermon. He started to tell the story of a man who took a woman home with the intention of having sex with her. He said she took off her bra and stuff flab was hanging. Then she took off her girdle on more flab was hanging. The man was then turned off and didn't want it anymore.

    I don't remember what his point was, but he told that story.

    The places I've been, the things I've heard.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So are you saying that people should have the right to go nude in pubic, but American society is not ready for it?
    Yup. People would go ballistic and act like they had never seen boobs before. However, if we could just get over ourselves for awhile, I think that eventually, we would hardly even notice.

    Off the top of my head, I honestly don't know. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it though.
    I'll have to condense my thoughts to a few sound bites so as not to derail this thread. However, I will say that it probably boils down to the fact that repeated exposure leads to destigmatization. That's why gynecologists can perform exams without there being the slightest hint of sexual arousal. After seeing genitalia for the 200th time, they're no more titillating than an elbow or an ear.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yup. People would go ballistic and act like they had never seen boobs before. However, if we could just get over ourselves for awhile, I think that eventually, we would hardly even notice.
    Ok. I don't agree with you. I don't think they should be allowed to go nude in public. And it's for the same reasons that I don't think people should be allowed to photograph under a woman's skirt.

    That's just my opinion


    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'll have to condense my thoughts to a few sound bites so as not to derail this thread. However, I will say that it probably boils down to the fact that repeated exposure leads to destigmatization. That's why gynecologists can perform exams without there being the slightest hint of sexual arousal. After seeing genitalia for the 200th time, they're no more titillating than an elbow or an ear.
    My response is that it's a good thing that people are aroused by nudity, but it should be reserved for private use.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And we are going to have to agree to disagree that physical violence, even murder, is inherently worse than sexual violence.
    I'm with you for most of your post. Where we will never agree is your idea that taking an up-skirt photo is sexual violence. Had to just add that; feel free to have the last post on the subject.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ok. I don't agree with you. I don't think they should be allowed to go nude in public. And it's for the same reasons that I don't think people should be allowed to photograph under a woman's skirt.

    That's just my opinion




    My response is that it's a good thing that people are aroused by nudity, but it should be reserved for private use.
    Fair enough; we can agree do disagree. Just remember, nudity does not have to be inherently sexual.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Hold it. You're gonna condone an act of pedophilia but not murder? I invite the legal experts around here to clarify--if a parent has clear reason to believe that his or her child's safety is in imminent danger, then he or she has the legal right to use force to protect the child. I offer "upshirting" as a prime qualifier of this--and remember, since I am offering a defense to a charge of homicide, my burden of proof is significantly lower than you might think.
    An upskirt shot of a 13 year old girl's panties is pedophilia now? Wow, this just keeps getting better.

    Know what happens if you're caught with thousands of photos of 13 year old girls in their panties on your computer? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Fair enough; we can agree do disagree. Just remember, nudity does not have to be inherently sexual.
    Fair enough. The debate would likely be a long thread which in which neither of our opinions would change.

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