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Thread: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yep, that's just what fanatics do, you ask them to do some thinking and they just can't do it. Then you become the demon. That's a large part of what's wrong with the world today. People don't think.

    It's sad.
    Fanatics?

    Since when is defending a person's right to privacy being a fanatic???

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    As much as I'd like to disagree, I cannot. I'm really wanting to move out of Massachusetts. It's a horrible state to live in IMO.
    I'll trade you! I'm only half-kidding--I think you and I both have a case of "the grass is greener on the other side."
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Taken from NBC online news:

    The legislation says anyone who "photographs, videotapes or electronically surveils" another person's sexual or intimate parts without that person's consent would face a misdemeanor charge and a maximum penalty of two-and-a-half years in jail and a $5,000 fine.

    The crime becomes a felony with a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for photographs or recordings of a child under 18. Distributing such photos would carry a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Murray said those who take such photos sometimes post them on pornographic websites
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    I'm sorry but this new legislation seems like a typical knee-jerk reaction by politicians and I would expect that the supreme court of Mass. might have a different view of this new law. First of all does "sexual parts" include a woman's clothed breasts? Since the state already defines the intentional unwanted touching of a woman's breasts as a "sexual battery", does that mean that the unwanted viewing and photographing of a woman's clothed breasts, rear-end and crotch now become an assault too, even when the "sexual parts" are photographed? How would this jibe with a photographer's first amendment rights under the US Constitution? How do you prove that a man taking photographs at the beach (without a telephoto lens or other technology) isn't in violation of this law? Like I said before, in a public place (a place where you have no reasonable expectation of privacy), if you can see it clearly without using extra means to see it, you should be allowed to photograph it. If a woman wears a low top or a short skirt and a guy can see over or under her clothes, that is on her. Are we really wanting to make photography without consent a crime?

    Maybe the law should include having a man's eyes put out with hot irons... or forcing women to wear burkas in public? Is that where we are heading in this country?

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Is that where we are heading in this country?
    No - that's where unreasonably difficult people wish to take silly arguments and unfounded beliefs.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Fanatics?

    Since when is defending a person's right to privacy being a fanatic???
    Defending the right to privacy is not fanatical. Putting forth edicts and then when asked to supply a rationale resorting to demonizing the person asking for a rationale. That's one reason why I stopped going to church. That's the kind of stuff people would do.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Apparently this just doesn't penetrate - there is no PRIVACY in a PUBLIC setting.

    No nudity, no violation. Everything else is just indignant, whiny opinion and outrage.
    And here we have a man who, though I am sure he will flippantly deny it, believes that a woman does not have the right to bodily privacy.

    Let me explain something to you, Gipper. A woman's body is her own. Period, end of discussion. The physical safe space which she is legally entitled to does not end with her epidermis and clothing. It does not matter if her clothing is highly revealing. Or if she is wearing absolutely nothing at all. You do not get to get that close to her without permission. Now, are people who live in a society that is still rather sexually uptight going to gain interest in taking and looking at sensual photos? Sure, that's just human nature. This means that yes, there may exist a gray area if the photographer was at a reasonable distance away. But not if he's physically too close.

    Jamesrage nailed it. Any photography of this nature should be legal ONLY if the woman consents to it. And as with any other sexual activity, one who wishes to engage in it must always err on the side of caution and assume that consent has not been given until it can be proven otherwise.
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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    No - that's where unreasonably difficult people wish to take silly arguments and unfounded beliefs.
    Submission to feel good group think is never reasonable.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Submission to feel good group think is never reasonable.
    So you think, that just because a woman/lady/girl is wearing a skirt/dress, you have a RIGHT to not only see what she's wearing underneath, but you can also photograph it without her consent or knowledge of what you're doing?

    Do you also have a RIGHT to yank her dress down so you can get a better shot? Afterall - it's not like she's naked or anything.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you kidding? It's a violation because a man is sticking a camera up a woman's skirt for perverted reasons.
    It is a rude invasion of space and privacy, but not perverted. Most men would like a peak under some skirts.

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    Re: Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

    (This is in reference to the possibility of a 13-year-old's getting upskirted. See post #132 if you think I'm misquoting him.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Once again, I have to elaborate. Should it be "ok"? No. Should it be illegal? No.

    I don't think smoking is "ok" either. Maybe we should make it to where if you light up, you get locked up.
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    Gipper. Listen to me carefully. Because if you seriously believe what you just wrote, you could be endangering your life.

    Why? Because I know a LOT of parents that, if some creepo EVER tried to upskirt their underage daughter, the right to not just keep but bear arms would be swiftly and effectively used.

    Furthermore, if said father dispatched said creepo, I would nominate the creepo's demise for a Darwin Award.
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