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Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

Taking an upskirt photo should


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Upskirting violates a social standard but it's hardly threatening, victimizing, or indecent if they're photographing a clothed body part. I mean, if a woman wears a tight top and you can see her nipples, and you photograph her boobs, doe she get to charge with you invasion of privacy? What about men who wear tight clothes and you can see their bulge? Just because the clothed part is underneath a skirt doesn't make it any less clothed.

Have you ever looked up in a shopping mall to the people walking on the floor above you? There's lots of skirts you could see up, if you really tried. Do those women have a right to "privacy"? You can't legally tell someone not to look.

I've been to nude beaches and there's nothing that really shocks me, which is why I guess this doesn't matter to me. If they photographed my underwear up my skirt and they actually get off on that then they're lucky to have such simple-minded pleasures because as far as I'm concerned a photo of someone's camel toe is nothing special. AFAIK it's mostly young guys in their 20s doing upskirting and it's just a stupid prank to them. Maybe if they grow up they'll some day get to see a bare vag attached to a woman who actually wants to provide it to them. For now they're stuck playing their virginal games. :shrug:

Looking and taking a photo are different things.
 
There really isn't an exact equivalent. My statement was more about what our standards are today, and that people have become almost desensitized to so many behaviors, that expectations are failing to help us self-regulate our behaviors.

I don't think it's that simple. Underlying this judge's decision is a clear understanding of public vs. private. If the wind blows up a woman's skirt marilyn monroe style and some guy says, "Hey look, I can see her underwear! *snap*" Does he get charged with privacy invasion?

If no... then it's not fair to go after people for privacy invasion even if we find their behavior creepy.
 
No, not really. It's becoming a world where essentially anything is acceptable, and no matter what you do, it will be justified and excused by someone, for some reason. It's a me me me world these days. Wanna look up my skirt? Why of course. Go ahead. It's only following your natural impulse.
If women were openly quite so brazen, and the shoe were on the other foot, would you be saying it's a women's world these days too?

I suppose you all could look up some Scott's kilt!

guys that do that photography ought to get their camera stuffed up their arse
 
It is rude, but should only be illegal in some circumstances. There are some public places (stairs, balconies, when someone exist a low car) where anyone can see up skirts, so in those situations there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. Most publicly available up skirt pictures only show up the skirt, you can't identify the person unless they have very unique underwear, in those cases there is no harm.

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Looking and taking a photo are different things.

Check out tumblr, photoblogger, or any one of those sites, and there are plenty of candids of people on there that people have taken of others... like guys working out that the gym, hot women on the bus/train, etc. Privacy has changed in the past 15 years. Everyone has a smart phone with a camera now.

This is the price of freedom. You don't get to tell people they can't upskirt you when there might be any number of opportunities for them to do it, even self-created ones. You are responsible for protecting your own privacy. There shouldn't be laws to do it for you.
 
I don't think it's that simple. Underlying this judge's decision is a clear understanding of public vs. private. If the wind blows up a woman's skirt marilyn monroe style and some guy says, "Hey look, I can see her underwear! *snap*" Does he get charged with privacy invasion?

If no... then it's not fair to go after people for privacy invasion even if we find their behavior creepy.

That is really a part of my point. 30 years ago, the vast majority of people would not even have considered this to be acceptable behavior. We would not be having this discussion.
 
I suppose you all could look up some Scott's kilt!

guys that do that photography ought to get their camera stuffed up their arse

My buddy Scott would never be caught in a kilt. Of course, he's half German.
 
My buddy Scott would never be caught in a kilt. Of course, he's half German.

I was attending a Jethro Tull concert many years ago and guitarist Martin Barre was wearing a kilt. Ian Anderson pretended to lift it up with his flute and then dropped down on his knee for a peek

he then turned to the audience and said

IT WAS GRUESOME

and it GREW SOME MORE!!
 
I was attending a Jethro Tull concert many years ago and guitarist Martin Barre was wearing a kilt. Ian Anderson pretended to lift it up with his flute and then dropped down on his knee for a peek

he then turned to the audience and said

IT WAS GRUESOME

and it GREW SOME MORE!!

Haha! That's a huge win right there.
 
That is really a part of my point. 30 years ago, the vast majority of people would not even have considered this to be acceptable behavior. We would not be having this discussion.

30 years ago people didn't have cameras that fit in the palm of their hand.

If you're trying work the culture angle, I can sympathize with that... our culture is so saturated with sexual imagery yet is so sexually repressed, and it causes people to engage in all sorts of weird behaviors.

The angle I'm looking at is freedom vs. more laws. Even if we make upskirting illegal, it's not going to stop it. Police aren't going to go out chasing 20-somethings for upskirting women. I don't think women wearing skirts need special protections.
 
What would be the female equivalent to being upskirted?

Men makes the laws. I assume it was men who decided these kinds of pictures were legal.

Would female judges make that call?

Didn't you read the article you posted? A female judge did make that call.
 
Didn't you read the article you posted? A female judge did make that call.

she probably wears only trousers. people who take such pictures probably never see what's really under everything.

its the sign of a 40 year old virgin
 
Didn't you read the article you posted? A female judge did make that call.

Stop. You're screwing with her intense misandry when you do that.

She needs to hate men right now. In a few, you can bring out the court-appointed doll and find out where he touched her.
 
I suppose you all could look up some Scott's kilt!

guys that do that photography ought to get their camera stuffed up their arse

I think it's sick too- I just don't think that people take it as seriously as they used to.
 
I think it's sick too- I just don't think that people take it as seriously as they used to.

well if some guy does it and he catches a Jimmy Choo in his snout, I'd have a hard time finding fault on the part of the woman
 
No, not really. It's becoming a world where essentially anything is acceptable, and no matter what you do, it will be justified and excused by someone, for some reason. It's a me me me world these days. Wanna look up my skirt? Why of course. Go ahead. It's only following your natural impulse.
If women were openly quite so brazen, and the shoe were on the other foot, would you be saying it's a women's world these days too?

I disagree. The world is not becoming a place where anything is acceptable.
 
I disagree. The world is not becoming a place where anything is acceptable.

I suppose it's all relative. I look at a 55 year span of changes, and you have less than half of that at this point in your life. In 30 years, you may be looking back at your life, and thinking similar things to what I do now. It all depends on our experiences and perspective, as to what we see as positive and negative changes.
 
I saw a woman in the mall the other day walking around with her pants half down like guys do. Would it be illegal to take of picture of her?

Just saying. It may not be so simple to pin this down.
 
I saw a woman in the mall the other day walking around with her pants half down like guys do. Would it be illegal to take of picture of her?

Just saying. It may not be so simple to pin this down.

IN some cases that should be labeled a public nuisance!!
 
I suppose it's all relative. I look at a 55 year span of changes, and you have less than half of that at this point in your life. In 30 years, you may be looking back at your life, and thinking similar things to what I do now. It all depends on our experiences and perspective, as to what we see as positive and negative changes.

I get that, but I look back at history and see most of the changes we made as a society as positive. We are less racist, we are less homophobic, we are less sexist, we are less transphobic, we are more accepting that sex is a normal part of life that no one should be ashamed of. There is less rape, less crime, the infant mortality rate has gone down. The world is a much better place than it was 55 years ago. So yeah, I stand by my assertion that the world is a better place.
 
I agree. But that's the type of thing people do, unfortunately.

its funny watching "urban utes" walking around with their beltless pants about knee height with their asses hanging out and then see someone ask them if they are advertising they want to get anally raped which of course is where that look came from -"punks in prison". at the range where I shoot we see one or two such fashion abominations a day and the well armed store clerks delight in edifying said urban utes about the history of that drooping trousers look
 
I get that, but I look back at history and see most of the changes we made as a society as positive. We are less racist, we are less homophobic, we are less sexist, we are less transphobic,

Arguable. What we are is unable to express those views in a public forum because of a nanny state that tries its damnedest to not hurt anyone's feelings. That's why the 64 legislation is garbage - it didn't curb racism, but just caused people to not be able to express racism. If anything, I think it increased racism by resentment.

There is less rape, less crime,

Less reported - we'll never know if there actually is less.

the infant mortality rate has gone down.

That's just a result of technology.
 
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