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Thread: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

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    Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan", for instance. I do not believe that race exists. It is a made up social construct that has been historically used to divide people into groups based on what their ethnic origins appear to be. We are all the same species; there are just tendencies in appearance based on the area where one's ancestors lived (which is obviously due to adaptations to the environment).

    I am not asking if the social phenomena of "race" exists, rather I am asking if this social phenomena has any basis in reality.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    I don't believe so. We are one race, one subspecies (homo sapiens sapiens) with several branches of major and minor adaption.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Yes, they do and there is nothing wrong with that unless you don't try to exterminate (lower) races or one races is developing at the expense of another.
    But we are all humans, that's for sure.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I don't believe so. We are one race, one subspecies (homo sapiens sapiens) with several branches of major and minor adaption.
    consider the presence of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans. every group of modern humans with the exception of sub-saharan Africans has anywhere from 2-4% neanderthal DNA in their genetic make-up. Stuides have shown that this neanderthal DNA contributes to a wide variety of characteristics ranging from hair and skin color to resistance to certain diseases.

    question: is that 2-4% difference in DNA enough to consider those who have it and those who do not to be separate "races"?
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Biologically? No. Socially? Yes. Social constructions are ​ reality. Strip away one conception, uphold another, there's your reality.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    question: is that 2-4% difference in DNA enough to consider those who have it and those who do not to be separate "races"?
    Humans and pigs have very similar DNA. Does that mean we are pigs? No!

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    question: is that 2-4% difference in DNA enough to consider those who have it and those who do not to be separate "races"?

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    We're all the same species, but there are different races.

    You get species-> subspecies (races) -> ethnicities.

    Homo Sapiens -> european / african / east asian / etc -> briton, norman, basque / kenyan, ethiopian / han chinesse, cantonesse /etc.

    The genetic differences between each racial group is anywhere between 1-> 1.5% according to whatever studies you follow.

    This is also valid in pre-sapien ancestry. For instance, it is just people whose ancestors were in Europe, the mediterraanian basin and west and central middle east that have homo neanderthalis genes... africans and east asians don't have them, they have other ancestry... because neanderthals didn't live elsewhere. So neanderthals aren't the ancestor of homo sapiens, just one of the ancestors of europeans and semitic people.

    So races are real but that doesn't make people less human. We're all human -> homo sapiens. But ignoring racial differences is not the key to "ending racism", it's the key to ignorance... you need to understand and accept racial differences as being there. For crying out loud, doctors accept them, that's why you have race related medications for certain diseases... so yeah.

    Really, i wouldn't worry to much about it. Race is not a determining factor in the personality or characteristic of someone unless he makes it so and those people are racists.

    So if being of a particular race is something that defines you in say, your top 5... then you are a very sad person because you don't have a lot of things going for you and you should pick up a hobby or two or get out more.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Humans and pigs have very similar DNA. Does that mean we are pigs? No!
    so, what you are saying is that differences in DNA do matter.....

    I simply asked a question based on scientific data, no need to get all defensive about it.....

    edit: FWIW, humans and chimps have ~98% of the same DNA. That 2% difference is enough to make one a human and one a chimp. is it so unreasonable to think that a 2-4% difference in DNA among humans would not result in different "races"?
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Yes, much the same as there are breeds of dogs. The ability to interbreed neither makes dogs into a single breed nor humans into a single race.
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