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Does race actually exist?[W:115]

Does race actually exist?

  • Yes, humans are divided into different races (white, black, mixed, etc.)

    Votes: 21 46.7%

  • No, we are all the same race

    Votes: 20 44.4%

  • I don't know/other

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • Total voters
    45
Voltaire X said:
This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan",
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Anyone else catch this bit?
 
Rainman05 said:
Genes and allele are not interchangeable words.

So you have a gene and the variations of that gene are allele.

So in your genetic code, all of it, there are sections. The genetic sequence that determines the shape of your nose is always going to exist in the same spot in every person.
So let's simplify this and make an hypothetical example.
say the human genome has just 10 things in it. So just 10 genetic sequences.
If the shape of your nose would be on position 3, it's position 3 for you, me, every single human being on the planet. Say there are 10 nose types, those 10 variations or version of nose, is what is called allele. So on position 3 of your gene code, you have 10 allele possible which means you can have 1 of 10 nose types. Get it?

Genes and allele mean different things.

You and I may have the same type of nose, meaning, the same allele copy.
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When I was learning this decades ago there was no difference. Geneticists back then may have used allele but practically no one else did. You had a gene for blue eyes and a gene for brown eyes. It was understood that they both had the same position.
 
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:peace
 
Canell said:


:peace
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The KKK??? :lamo :lamo :lamo

David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American White nationalist, writer, right-wing politician, and a former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and former Republican Louisiana State Representative.
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I don't think I'm going to bother with that one ...
 
ChrisL said:
It just doesn't pack the same punch that Neanderthal does. :( Please don't take any more of our words away.
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Agreed. It is retarded.
 
Rainman05 said:
On species -> homo sapiens, multiple races which each have multiple ethnic groups, each ethnic group having multiple ethnicities.
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Homo sapiens, a single race that originated out of Eastern Africa that spread out developing different skin colors, languages, ethnicities, etc.

Race is a sociological construct... not a scientific one.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Homo sapiens, a single race that originated out of Eastern Africa that spread out developing different skin colors, languages, ethnicities, etc.

Race is a sociological construct... not a scientific one.
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And you Disingenuously feel completely free to reiterate your goofy/politics-as-fashion position DESPITE my two postings at the top of page 6 making mincemeat of it.
A Page YOU posted on Twice afterwords but Couldn't/didn't touch.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-6.html
No response by you or any other of contrary position to undeniably serious/significant opinion.

And race is hardly just skin color. Races can be identified from skeletal remains alone.
We have different size, bones, musculature, facial features, hair coverage/texture, even pharmacology and disease proclivities.

And Gorillas "originated in Africa" too and even though they Never left/didn't get help from the environment in forced adaptation as Homo sapien did, [even] they DO have Different Species, Subspecies/Race.
There are Mountain Gorillas, Eastern and/or Western Lowland Gorillas, etc, etc, you could Not tell apart. Same for other Flora/Fauna.
"Originating in Africa" or anywhere else doesn't preclude further adaptation/Evolution; and Didn't.
Humans have avoided these taxonomic classifications for Political reasons.

What's most galling is all these partisans just reiterating there nonsensical political stances.
When I go into a string to make a point, I try and Tackle the most difficult conflicting-idea posts, Not Evade/avoid them.
Avoiding them is being Dishonest in debate and to one's self.
 
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The Mark said:
I'm not talking ethnic groups necessarily. ANY group, really, it could apply to.

Sometimes it's a joke, too.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about anymore. :lol: I don't know, maybe it's just me.
 
mbig said:
And you Disingenuously feel completely free to reiterate your goofy/politics-as-fashion position DESPITE my two postings at the top of page 6 making mincemeat of it.
A Page YOU posted on Twice afterwords but Couldn't/didn't touch.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-6.html
No response by you or any other of contrary position to undeniably serious/significant opinion.

And race is hardly just skin color. Races can be identified from skeletal remains alone.
We have different size, bones, musculature, facial features, hair coverage/texture, even pharmacology and disease proclivities.

And Gorillas "originated in Africa" too and even though they Never left/didn't get help from the environment in forced adaptation as Homo sapien did, [even] they DO have Different Species, Subspecies/Race.
There are Mountain Gorillas, Eastern and/or Western Lowland Gorillas, etc, etc, you could Not tell apart. Same for other Flora/Fauna.
"Originating in Africa" or anywhere else doesn't preclude further adaptation/Evolution; and Didn't.
Humans have avoided these taxonomic classifications for Political reasons.

What's most galling is all these partisans just reiterating there nonsensical political stances.
When I go into a string to make a point, I try and Tackle the most difficult conflicting-idea posts, Not Evade/avoid them.
Avoiding them is being Dishonest in debate and to one's self.
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This is true. It's how forensic pathologists can identify the "race" of the skeletal remains, as well as gender. :)
 
ChrisL said:
I'm not sure what you're talking about anymore. :lol: I don't know, maybe it's just me.
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Frankly, I'm not sure anymore either.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Homo sapiens, a single race that originated out of Eastern Africa that spread out developing different skin colors, languages, ethnicities, etc.

Race is a sociological construct... not a scientific one.
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... I'd reference you look at the rest of my comments why that's not true.

Yes, we're all the same species, homo sapiens, the only surviving hominids. Species, not race.
 
Voltaire X said:
This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan", for instance. I do not believe that race exists. It is a made up social construct that has been historically used to divide people into groups based on what their ethnic origins appear to be. We are all the same species; there are just tendencies in appearance based on the area where one's ancestors lived (which is obviously due to adaptations to the environment).

I am not asking if the social phenomena of "race" exists, rather I am asking if this social phenomena has any basis in reality.
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I don't think skin color, physical features, ethnicity, geographic location or even cultures separates us. Being an ass does.
 
ChrisL said:
This is true. It's how forensic pathologists can identify the "race" of the skeletal remains, as well as gender. :)
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By the shape of the skull. Negroids have infantile sphericity back part of skull and more developed lower jaw. Whites have flat scull and a much smaller jaw.
 
loader said:
By the shape of the skull. Negroids have infantile sphericity back part of skull and more developed lower jaw. Whites have flat scull and a much smaller jaw.
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The teeth are different too.
 
ChrisL said:
The teeth are different too.
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Generally, I think that the main difference in culture and education. The teeth may be the same, but different values​​. I'm much closer to Colonel West or doktor Ben Carson, than to director Michael Moore and Senator Chuck Schumer. Although we may have the same shape of the skull with the latest two.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yes, much the same as there are breeds of dogs. The ability to interbreed neither makes dogs into a single breed nor humans into a single race.
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Dogs are a single species, the Grey Wolf. The breeds are the result of selective breeding by humans (hmm that's why they are called breeds)

The origin of the domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) began with the domestication of the Grey Wolf (Canis lupus) several tens of thousands of years ago.[1][2][3] Genetic and archaeological evidence shows that humans domesticated wolves on more than one occasion, with the present lineage of C. l. familiaris arising at the latest 15,000 years ago as evidenced by the Bonn-Oberkassel site and possibly as early as 33,000 years ago as evidenced by the mtDNA testing on a paleolithic dog's remains from the Razboinichya Cave (Altai Mountains).[
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
 
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Look people, it's like this dog story. They are all dogs but no one in a right mind would claim that a labrador=miniature pinscher or a bulldog=whippet. They have different characteristics and properties.
 
Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates. There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
 
Paschendale said:
Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates. There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
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The only way to prove that, however, would be to throw a bunch of random persons into a closed environment for a few hundred years and see what happens.

Or something like that.
 
Paschendale said:
Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates.
There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
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Yes there is.
Because Race is NOT as discreet, as say, Specie, it merely is some geographical morphological distinguishability caused by genetic difference.
Race can be a very small difference. Indeed, I have elaborated other species that have less morphological distance and do have race/subspecies.
You have willfully ignored all those posts to stay in Denial.
It's Dishonest/Sociopathic.

Identical to Bodhisatva, you Disingenuously Ignore/can't deal with what was posted by others and just repeat your 2+2=5 feel good without addressing anything.
Specifically the top of page 6
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-6.html
and again on the last page.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-9.html#post1063009091

Coyne from post #52 (and common sense among ALL other animals)
What are races?
In my own field of evolutionary biology, races of animals (also called “subspecies” or “ecotypes”) are morphologically distinguishable populations that live in allopatry (i.e. are geographically separated).
There is No firm criterion on how Much morphological difference it takes to delimit a race.
Races of mice, for example, are described Solely on the basis of Difference in coat Color, which could involve only One or two genes.

Under that criterion, are there human Races?
Yes.".."
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How different are the races genetically?
Not very different. [......] BUT since the Delimitation of Races has historically depended NOT on the Degree of underlying genetic differences but ONLY on the existence of SOME genetic difference that Causes morphological difference, the genetic similarity of races Does NOT mean that they Don’t exist...."
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So race doesn't have to be Wildly discreet, just a small bit for which human Races easily qualify using Any/All other animals/species as comparison. Especially our near relative primates I elucidated on already.

Anything Pasch, or will it be the Usual ignore the truth again and repost your Lie on page 14 and another string in two months, and in 2 years?
It's amazing how many posters feel free to skip over meaty rebuttal and just deny/re-declare to preserve their Volvo-identity politics.

Your Raging PC overrides your common and science sense on this and ALL other topics as well. You have the same problem with whitewashing Islam/Islamism I Bust a few times Every year - as now - to Silence and then empty/denialist repetition.
 
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mbig said:
Yes there is.
Because Race is NOT as discreet, as say, Specie, it merely is some geographical morphological distinguishability caused by genetic difference.
Race can be a very small difference. Indeed, I have elaborated other species that have less morphological distance and do have race/subspecies.
You have willfully ignored all those posts to stay in Denial.
It's Dishonest/Sociopathic.

Identical to Bodhisatva, you Disingenuously Ignore/can't deal with what was posted by others and just repeat your 2+2=5 feel good without addressing anything.
Specifically the top of page 6
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-6.html
and again on the last page.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/187676-does-race-actually-exist-9.html#post1063009091

Coyne from post #52 (and common sense among ALL other animals)
So race doesn't have to be Wildly discreet, just a small bit for which human Races easily qualify using Any/All other animals/species as comparison. Especially our near relative primates I elucidated on already.

Anything Pasch, or will it be the Usual ignore the truth again and repost your Lie on page 14 and another string in two months, and in 2 years?
It's amazing how many posters feel free to skip over meaty rebuttal and just deny/re-declare to preserve their Volvo-identity politics.

Your Raging PC overrides your common and science sense on this and ALL other topics as well. You have the same problem with whitewashing Islam/Islamism I Bust a few times Every year - as now - to Silence and then empty/denialist repetition.
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I thought that a stadium of specialization on the path from one species evolving to another, where interbreeding is no longer possible could be called race.
 
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