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Thread: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    First off, I reject your modification to my statement. What you're arguing for is a "hey man that's just your opinion" thing when in fact, I'm not.
    I don't know where you got that info but I don't think you interpreted that as correctly.

    Certainly, there are differences between the various ethnicities within an ethnic group, but they all share more in common than any do with any other ethnic group or race. That's why we grouped them in that way. You see, logically, what you said, is incorrect. Otherwise we couldn't possibly group people by these definitions and genetics would mean nothing and it'll all be random and that's that. But that's not the case.

    You could can't even argue that point biologically, you know. What you could say is that biologically, a man and a woman are more different than 2 men of different ethnicities or races, that would be true. But to say that 2 men of the same race are more different than 2 men, each belonging to different racial groups... that's just not valid.
    I think you misinterpreted what I said.


    Two men of the same "race" can be more genetically dissimilar than the average men of two different "races". I think you missed "average" and what it means.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think you misinterpreted what I said.


    Two men of the same "race" can be more genetically dissimilar than the average men of two different "races". I think you missed "average" and what it means.
    Ok. Even if that were true, it'll not be "average", it'll be an extremely exceptional situation. The vast majority of men within a certain race are more similar to each other than with those of another race, just like the vast majority of women of a certain race are more similar to each other than those of another race.

    You're trying to invalidate race or ethnicity or whatever, which you can't because it's true. It's how humans are.
    All animals, and especially all mammals, are of a certain species with multiple subspecies that are different based on where they are and their ancestry.

    Look at deers, look at dogs, felines. Tigers have a 95% genetic similarity with domestic cats.
    Tiger genome sequenced: Tiger, lion and leopard genomes compared -- ScienceDaily

    That means that 5% gets you from this

    To this


    So this is just differences in the genetics of what makes felines as felines. You understand?
    You need to understand how genetics work to understand what differences are and where they are found.

    The genetic difference between what makes humans as humans, between the different races, is anywhere between 1-1.5%. Some say it's 0.5%- 1.5%. Fine, pick a number. It may seem small, but it's not like you're arguing statistics or when going to the grocers' and you don't get 300g of chocolate candy but 303g. It's not like that and you're really giving the impression that it is.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The vast majority of men within a certain race are more similar to each other than with those of another race, just like the vast majority of women of a certain race are more similar to each other than those of another race.
    I never said they weren't, so you're still not understanding. *shrug*



    Do I have a biology degree? No. (I've probably read enough to qualify for BIO 300 level courses, though.) But from an amateur's standpoint I understand how genetics work. Some alleles (I grew up with the term "genes" but it's the same thing) are more important than others, which is seldom taken into account when throwing around percentages. Males and females can actually have few genetic differences but that sex "gene" and it's common companions change so many other things that it seems like they're worlds apart.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So what race is a "lower" race?
    What one considers "lower".

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I never said they weren't, so you're still not understanding. *shrug*



    Do I have a biology degree? No. (I've probably read enough to qualify for BIO 300 level courses, though.) But from an amateur's standpoint I understand how genetics work. Some alleles (I grew up with the term "genes" but it's the same thing) are more important than others, which is seldom taken into account when throwing around percentages. Males and females can actually have few genetic differences but that sex "gene" and it's common companions change so many other things that it seems like they're worlds apart.

    Genes and allele are not interchangeable words.

    So you have a gene and the variations of that gene are allele.

    So in your genetic code, all of it, there are sections. The genetic sequence that determines the shape of your nose is always going to exist in the same spot in every person.
    So let's simplify this and make an hypothetical example.
    say the human genome has just 10 things in it. So just 10 genetic sequences.
    If the shape of your nose would be on position 3, it's position 3 for you, me, every single human being on the planet. Say there are 10 nose types, those 10 variations or version of nose, is what is called allele. So on position 3 of your gene code, you have 10 allele possible which means you can have 1 of 10 nose types. Get it?

    Genes and allele mean different things.

    You and I may have the same type of nose, meaning, the same allele copy.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan",
    Anyone else catch this bit?
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Genes and allele are not interchangeable words.

    So you have a gene and the variations of that gene are allele.

    So in your genetic code, all of it, there are sections. The genetic sequence that determines the shape of your nose is always going to exist in the same spot in every person.
    So let's simplify this and make an hypothetical example.
    say the human genome has just 10 things in it. So just 10 genetic sequences.
    If the shape of your nose would be on position 3, it's position 3 for you, me, every single human being on the planet. Say there are 10 nose types, those 10 variations or version of nose, is what is called allele. So on position 3 of your gene code, you have 10 allele possible which means you can have 1 of 10 nose types. Get it?

    Genes and allele mean different things.

    You and I may have the same type of nose, meaning, the same allele copy.
    When I was learning this decades ago there was no difference. Geneticists back then may have used allele but practically no one else did. You had a gene for blue eyes and a gene for brown eyes. It was understood that they both had the same position.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Anyone else catch this bit?
    I think your sig says it all ...
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post


    The KKK???

    David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American White nationalist, writer, right-wing politician, and a former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and former Republican Louisiana State Representative.

    I don't think I'm going to bother with that one ...
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