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Thread: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You also didn't include me in your comment in the reply, so I got no notification. Fortunately it's a slow day so I log in here every hour to see what's up. That's like... dirty. Whenever I chop down someones' comment I give an explanation as to why I did it. Usually something like "I agree with everything else but this" or "I chopped your wall of text because it was too big". But that's just me trying to be civil.

    You can say that human beings are a race but we're a species. Like canines... canines come in different breeds (subspecies or races).

    Race is not a lazy way to do anything. It's just a way to group people because grouping people is what people do.
    We group people by profession, by age, by gender, by sex, by whatever. We assign these things because it's easy to quantify them and use them in our day to day lives. There is nothing wrong with grouping people by race. There's nothing dirty in it.

    One of the things I work with is databases. I put information into databases and in order for someone to find them easier, I assign useful "tags" to them as it were. It's like when you try and file a group of pictures.
    Let me make it simpler for you and everyone to understand.
    Say you have pictures on your computer. All the pictures are pictures (all humans are humans) but some pictures are pictures of cats... others are pictures of dogs, some are pictures of wildlife and some are pictures of nature like mountains and rivers... some are pictures of events you've been to and some are pictures of your family and friends at birthdays or weddings.

    What is the truly lazy way to deal with all these pictures? The lazy way is to put them all in a single folder named "pictures". That way when you want to find a picture that you're looking for, you'll have a hard time doing it.
    No.
    What you do is you make a folder for cat pictures, a folder for dog pictures, a folder for all different kinds of pictures and you meticulously organize them. This is the correct way to do it. This is the smart way to do it. The lazy way is to just say they are all pictures and disconsider what kind of pictures they are.

    You can choose what kinds of pictures you want in what folder. You can say you want to put dogs and cats together as a "pet folder" and you can group friends and family with event photos. It's your decision on how you group them. But the more meticulous and correct you group them, the easier it is to have access to them. And this is the smart way to do it.
    Yours is the lazy and ignorant way.

    I could branch out that example in multiple ways but I think you got the point.
    EDIT: I'm also not talking about stereotypes, at all... you seem to go full automaton with the replies. Read this and my prev comment carefully. You're the only one who is attacking X set of stereotypes to a race. I'm not even going there.
    It is amusing that you like to categorize photos. I shoot down your entire simplistic hypothesis with one simple word;
    Lineage.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    It is amusing that you like to categorize photos. I shoot down your entire simplistic hypothesis with one simple word;
    Lineage.
    I categorize everything on my computer. Makes for a tidy workplace. You know that saying? Cleanliness is next to Godliness? Well Computer Cleanliness IS godliness :P
    Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
    Also, what about lineage? Can you like... user your words?

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I categorize everything on my computer. Makes for a tidy workplace. You know that saying? Cleanliness is next to Godliness? Well Computer Cleanliness IS godliness :P
    Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
    Also, what about lineage? Can you like... user your words?
    Photos are simple to categorize. Each is from a different source.
    People come from other people. It is neither a simple nor clean study.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Photos are simple to categorize. Each is from a different source.
    People come from other people. It is neither a simple nor clean study.
    Ok. But that was a simplified model. I'm not going to write a PHD paper on the whole thing.

    We discuss the principle. And the principle that DA60 and I were debating is whether it's lazy and wrong to put pictures into separate folders based on what they represent or to put all pictures into just 1 folder.

    Also, read what I wrote in my original comment. This isn't about individuals, this covers individuals and you should interract in day to day life with individuals:
    Really, i wouldn't worry to much about it. Race is not a determining factor in the personality or characteristic of someone unless he makes it so and those people are racists.

    So if being of a particular race is something that defines you in say, your top 5... then you are a very sad person because you don't have a lot of things going for you and you should pick up a hobby or two or get out more.
    This is about how we look at the world, how we look at populations and people and us, as a species... and we are in multiple races. We're all pictures but we go in separate picture folders so it becomes easy to understand.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan", for instance. I do not believe that race exists. It is a made up social construct that has been historically used to divide people into groups based on what their ethnic origins appear to be. We are all the same species; there are just tendencies in appearance based on the area where one's ancestors lived (which is obviously due to adaptations to the environment).

    I am not asking if the social phenomena of "race" exists, rather I am asking if this social phenomena has any basis in reality.
    Only the reality of politics.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Race, like Gender is a social construct but that doesn't make it any less real. But deeper than the construct there are distinct and important differences that emerge in different racial groups and sub-groups. We tend to focus on morphology though when we deal with race. That morphology however does change the way that members of the same group and other groups interact with a person.

    Racism exists in that there are those who assume certain attitudes, behaviors, and expectations based solely on perceived racial identification. It is clear that there is vast diversity within every racial group.

    Race clearly plays a role in american politics. Both at an overt and covert level. One only look at how liberals and conservatives treat a black conservative to see that.
    BTW it is not only liberals who see race in politics, that is an asinine statement.

    The reality is that we have created racial categories, based first on morphology and later on cultural differences that have meaning in some respects but on the whole will become less and less useful in a smaller and smaller world. But the idea that race doesn't exist if often a veiled attempt to force a white European standard on everyone that makes invisible entire cultures.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    I did a google search and found this: Biological differences among races do not exist, WU research shows

    I feel like this is a question for biologists to answer. If you have a more recent article, feel free to provide it.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Recognizing races doesn't make one a racist.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    If there is no such thing as "race", then there is no such thing as "racism"........
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If there is no such thing as "race", then there is no such thing as "racism"........
    Actually it 's the other way round - there are races but racism is arbitrary. Like colours - there are red, yellow, green, etc but if you start discriminating against certain colours, that's "racism". Although you could have a favourite colour, I guess.

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