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Thread: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But if there were DNA tests done, they're not going to be as white as they think.
    but if DNA tests were done, they'd show neanderthal DNA whereas a sub-saharan african's would not...

    that was my question. is the presence or absence of neanderthal DNA enough of a difference to consider those with it a separate "race" than those without?

    I'm not, in any way, suggesting that one is superior to the other. merely that they are different. are they different enough to be considered distinct races?
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    There is only one race...the human race.

    Calling someone a different 'race' because one person has more or less melanin in their skin is about as ignorant as it gets, imo.
    and therein lies the problem. "race" isn't just about skin color.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan", for instance. I do not believe that race exists. It is a made up social construct that has been historically used to divide people into groups based on what their ethnic origins appear to be. We are all the same species; there are just tendencies in appearance based on the area where one's ancestors lived (which is obviously due to adaptations to the environment).

    I am not asking if the social phenomena of "race" exists, rather I am asking if this social phenomena has any basis in reality.
    Yes, race as more than a social construct exists. Both on a gross physical level and on a genetic one.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Depends how you define race, as an artificial construct of geographically-based phenotypic expression, sure, it's real. But there is no human population that is more genetically similar within the population than without it.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and therein lies the problem. "race" isn't just about skin color.
    It is to many people.

    And that is not the problem.

    The problem is stupid and/or ignorant people classifying people as different 'races' due to physical characteristics...whatever they are.

    There is only one 'race' - the human race.

    If you or anyone disagrees?

    Then you/they ARE wrong...period.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Yes, anyone with eyes can see race exists.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    consider the presence of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans. every group of modern humans with the exception of sub-saharan Africans has anywhere from 2-4% neanderthal DNA in their genetic make-up. Stuides have shown that this neanderthal DNA contributes to a wide variety of characteristics ranging from hair and skin color to resistance to certain diseases.

    question: is that 2-4% difference in DNA enough to consider those who have it and those who do not to be separate "races"?
    Species drift occurs when two or more sub-species inhabit the same geography for a significant amount of time. We're not even sure we're a different race than neanderthal. Some classify them as homo sapiens neanderthalensis, some Homo neanderthalensis. If the later is accurate we are.

    However, siccessful mating and resulting fertility of offspring is the key. I think that argues for homo sapiens neanderthalensis. As to that last, no, I don't believe so in this case. Of course it's highly dependent upon which 2-4% is different. Our gene and chromosome count are identical.

    I go with the current minority thought that Africanus were the first sapiens and produced several sub-species (idaltu, floresiensis, sapiens, neanderthalensis etc). All those could interbreed successfully. I wouldn't be surprise if they found some percentage of contribution from those other sub-species as well.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Next time someone will question if taste and smell exists.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Race biologically (for humans) is a fiction. It means something different when we apply the term to humans as opposed to when applied to every other species. For humans it relies largely on "perceived differences" alone.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Race biologically (for humans) is a fiction. It means something different when we apply the term to humans as opposed to when applied to every other species. For humans it relies largely on "perceived differences" alone.
    I agree.

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