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Thread: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    This is about RACE, not ethnicity. There is a difference between saying "I am black" and "I am a Kenyan", for instance. I do not believe that race exists. It is a made up social construct that has been historically used to divide people into groups based on what their ethnic origins appear to be. We are all the same species; there are just tendencies in appearance based on the area where one's ancestors lived (which is obviously due to adaptations to the environment).

    I am not asking if the social phenomena of "race" exists, rather I am asking if this social phenomena has any basis in reality.
    I don't think skin color, physical features, ethnicity, geographic location or even cultures separates us. Being an ass does.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is true. It's how forensic pathologists can identify the "race" of the skeletal remains, as well as gender.
    By the shape of the skull. Negroids have infantile sphericity back part of skull and more developed lower jaw. Whites have flat scull and a much smaller jaw.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    By the shape of the skull. Negroids have infantile sphericity back part of skull and more developed lower jaw. Whites have flat scull and a much smaller jaw.
    The teeth are different too.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The teeth are different too.
    Generally, I think that the main difference in culture and education. The teeth may be the same, but different values​​. I'm much closer to Colonel West or doktor Ben Carson, than to director Michael Moore and Senator Chuck Schumer. Although we may have the same shape of the skull with the latest two.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes, much the same as there are breeds of dogs. The ability to interbreed neither makes dogs into a single breed nor humans into a single race.

    Dogs are a single species, the Grey Wolf. The breeds are the result of selective breeding by humans (hmm that's why they are called breeds)

    The origin of the domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) began with the domestication of the Grey Wolf (Canis lupus) several tens of thousands of years ago.[1][2][3] Genetic and archaeological evidence shows that humans domesticated wolves on more than one occasion, with the present lineage of C. l. familiaris arising at the latest 15,000 years ago as evidenced by the Bonn-Oberkassel site and possibly as early as 33,000 years ago as evidenced by the mtDNA testing on a paleolithic dog's remains from the Razboinichya Cave (Altai Mountains).[
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Look people, it's like this dog story. They are all dogs but no one in a right mind would claim that a labrador=miniature pinscher or a bulldog=whippet. They have different characteristics and properties.

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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates. There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates. There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
    The only way to prove that, however, would be to throw a bunch of random persons into a closed environment for a few hundred years and see what happens.

    Or something like that.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Our races are no more than environmental adaptations. They're responses to various climates.
    There simply isn't enough difference between us to create anything discreet like a race.
    Yes there is.
    Because Race is NOT as discreet, as say, Specie, it merely is some geographical morphological distinguishability caused by genetic difference.
    Race can be a very small difference. Indeed, I have elaborated other species that have less morphological distance and do have race/subspecies.
    You have willfully ignored all those posts to stay in Denial.
    It's Dishonest/Sociopathic.

    Identical to Bodhisatva, you Disingenuously Ignore/can't deal with what was posted by others and just repeat your 2+2=5 feel good without addressing anything.
    Specifically the top of page 6
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...y-exist-6.html
    and again on the last page.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063009091

    Coyne from post #52 (and common sense among ALL other animals)
    What are races?
    In my own field of evolutionary biology, races of animals (also called “subspecies” or “ecotypes”) are morphologically distinguishable populations that live in allopatry (i.e. are geographically separated).
    There is No firm criterion on how Much morphological difference it takes to delimit a race.
    Races of mice, for example, are described Solely on the basis of Difference in coat Color, which could involve only One or two genes.

    Under that criterion, are there human Races?
    Yes.".."

    [.......]
    How different are the races genetically?
    Not very different. [......] BUT since the Delimitation of Races has historically depended NOT on the Degree of underlying genetic differences but ONLY on the existence of SOME genetic difference that Causes morphological difference, the genetic similarity of races Does NOT mean that they Don’t exist...."
    So race doesn't have to be Wildly discreet, just a small bit for which human Races easily qualify using Any/All other animals/species as comparison. Especially our near relative primates I elucidated on already.

    Anything Pasch, or will it be the Usual ignore the truth again and repost your Lie on page 14 and another string in two months, and in 2 years?
    It's amazing how many posters feel free to skip over meaty rebuttal and just deny/re-declare to preserve their Volvo-identity politics.

    Your Raging PC overrides your common and science sense on this and ALL other topics as well. You have the same problem with whitewashing Islam/Islamism I Bust a few times Every year - as now - to Silence and then empty/denialist repetition.
    Last edited by mbig; 03-08-14 at 06:07 AM.
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    re: Does race actually exist?[W:115]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Yes there is.
    Because Race is NOT as discreet, as say, Specie, it merely is some geographical morphological distinguishability caused by genetic difference.
    Race can be a very small difference. Indeed, I have elaborated other species that have less morphological distance and do have race/subspecies.
    You have willfully ignored all those posts to stay in Denial.
    It's Dishonest/Sociopathic.

    Identical to Bodhisatva, you Disingenuously Ignore/can't deal with what was posted by others and just repeat your 2+2=5 feel good without addressing anything.
    Specifically the top of page 6
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...y-exist-6.html
    and again on the last page.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063009091

    Coyne from post #52 (and common sense among ALL other animals)
    So race doesn't have to be Wildly discreet, just a small bit for which human Races easily qualify using Any/All other animals/species as comparison. Especially our near relative primates I elucidated on already.

    Anything Pasch, or will it be the Usual ignore the truth again and repost your Lie on page 14 and another string in two months, and in 2 years?
    It's amazing how many posters feel free to skip over meaty rebuttal and just deny/re-declare to preserve their Volvo-identity politics.

    Your Raging PC overrides your common and science sense on this and ALL other topics as well. You have the same problem with whitewashing Islam/Islamism I Bust a few times Every year - as now - to Silence and then empty/denialist repetition.
    I thought that a stadium of specialization on the path from one species evolving to another, where interbreeding is no longer possible could be called race.

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