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    Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Anything that forces people into commerce and has a long list of human right violations attached to it I want to fail.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anything that forces people into commerce and has a long list of human right violations attached to it I want to fail.
    "Human rights violations"???
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    I want reforms to work at least slightly better, regardless of what it is.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Human rights violations"???
    Property rights.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    I don't want it to fail, but I can't think of such a unmitigated disaster of a law (more of it's implantation really) in recent history.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?

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    Honestly? I'm torn.

    I'm a big 10th Amendment supporter and feel that anything like the PPACA should have been left to the states like the plan that the Obama Administration keeps comparing it to in Massachusetts. Would I support a similar state plan in my state; NC? No, not now. Before the PPACA I was leaning toward supporting a MA type plan for other states. But now? After seeing how impossible it is to have a one size fits all medical system I no longer support it here.

    So I don't support it for the country on a federal level either.

    What scares me worse is that once the political pendulum on health care begins swinging again that it may act more like a guillotine and kill all chances of reasonableness as well as the Constitution.

    I vehemently appose single payer, and I'm scared as hell that that's where this is headed. I also feel that single payer was and is the end goal of the PPACA and its shortfalls. I feel that many of the shortfalls were intentional to help force the single payer issue to the forefront.

    So again, I'm torn.

    If it fails, which it looks as though it will, the alternative that appears to be the next step in the evolution of the debate is worse to me than the PPACA could be.

    Yet, if it stays in place, it will require many changes (as some have already been enacted by decree by Obama) and those changes have the great possibility of devastating the health care system as a whole.

    As a small business owner, I've had to make painful choices due to the PPACA. As a private citizen, the PPACA has cost me a tremendous amount of money; more than I paid for the same health care before the PPACA.

    The first thing they need to change is the name; it doesn't provide 'patient protection' (with only one exception / preexisting conditions) and it damn sure doesn't, hasn't and will not provide 'affordable care' since deductibles and co-pays have increased exponentially (what happened to the average $2,500.00 per person savings?).

    I'm torn, but I lean toward a reset and a new debate regarding certain parts that do work (preexisting conditions) and parts that were not included, such as buying insurance across state lines, that would increase competition and have a real chance of reducing costs by increasing the insurance pools.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    i would hope it works, as I hope any reform results in an improvement over the status quo. That said I am rather skeptical of it working in the end, but I still want it to. The status quo was unsustainable. The ACA was passed to reform the healthcare system. Hopefully that reform works because the status quo was unsustainable.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?

    Give me a minute to attach the poll.
    No, I don't want it to fail. But I think it probably needs a good tweaking. Some things right off the top: lower the number of hours to 20 for considering an employee part-time; let religious organizations opt out of birth control and abortion coverage; I think coverage for mental health and addiction is going to have to be changed. I'm sure there are hundreds of regulations in the background that most of us know nothing about that need changing; and that'll probably happen eventually.

    There is absolutely no way people could get coverage for pre-existing conditions without a mandate. That's why I support it. But for the life of me, I don't know why they didn't just fold everyone into Medicare. Maybe they will eventually.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I don't want it to fail. But I think it probably needs a good tweaking. Some things right off the top: lower the number of hours to 20 for considering an employee part-time; let religious organizations opt out of birth control and abortion coverage; I think coverage for mental health and addiction is going to have to be changed. I'm sure there are hundreds of regulations in the background that most of us know nothing about that need changing; and that'll probably happen eventually.

    There is absolutely no way people could get coverage for pre-existing conditions without a mandate. That's why I support it. But for the life of me, I don't know why they didn't just fold everyone into Medicare. Maybe they will eventually.
    I agree. Personally, I would rather take the money I am currently paying in health insurance premiums (and my employer pays as part of my compensation), and pay that in Medicare taxes to just extend it across the board. I doubt that would ever happen though.
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