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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    There are two places in the world for people who have nearly zero concern for the well-being of others:
    Psychiatric wards and prisons.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is my position immoral?
    You do not care when people are ripped off and taken advantage of and it can ruin their lives.
    In fact, I believe you largely enjoy it.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, people provide other people services that are both needed and entirely optional. When people exchange their labor and service to someone they expect something in return to make their efforts worth their time. People have been doing such activities since pretty much forever. If you have a problem with someone benefiting from an exchange that they are involved in than you pretty much have a problem with human interaction itself.
    Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?


    Ok? So are these co-ops trustworthy to run the unimportant things, but only the government is wise enough to run the important things?
    I never stated all "important things"...



    Which is basically a contradiction of terms.
    Not at all.
    “Market socialism” means a proletarian democratic regime in which the mass of the population implements socialist measures within an economy based on commodity production. The market will decide what worker co-ops, or worker owned production facilities fail or proceed.

    Yes, and there is no reason they should be.
    Well this is what we are debating. So therefore the role of the gov has and will continue to be in this debate.


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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You do not care when people are ripped off and taken advantage of and it can ruin their lives.
    In fact, I believe you largely enjoy it.
    How were people getting ripped off?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    There are two places in the world for people who have nearly zero concern for the well-being of others:
    Psychiatric wards and prisons.
    You know Henrin too?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea i mean these people "benefited" really well from this for profit system: New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Harvard Gazette
    Egads. How many times are we going to have to debunk this idiotic study?

    They asked people if they had - at any time - been uninsured, and then followed them around for years and, if they died, counted it as due to their lack of insurance whether or not the individuals involved were insured at the time of their death. If a guy lost his job, then three years later had a so-called gold Cadillac plan and got hit by a car on the way to work, these fools counted it as a death due to lack of insurance. I could use the same logic to prove that cheering for the U.S. olympic hockey team will cause 15,000 deaths a year even in years when they don't play.

    Or this. Yes. When you value equality of care as much or more than quality of care, yes, under that scoring system, the U.S. does poorly because our Medicaid system runs about as well as our government runs most things, but our private systems such as our high-quality hospitals do very, very, good work. We only do well when you measure, you know, how well people who are sick or injured get taken care of.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?
    Public goods result from theft, and those that provide the public good do so with the prospect of profiting from the work.

    I never stated all "important things"...
    I can't imagine what vital thing you wouldn't want managed by the government.


    Not at all.
    “Market socialism” means a proletarian democratic regime in which the mass of the population implements socialist measures within an economy based on commodity production. The market will decide what worker co-ops, or worker owned production facilities fail or proceed.
    Ok...

    Well this is what we are debating. So therefore the role of the gov has and will continue to be in this debate.
    There is nothing to debate. It was nonsense back in the 19th century to be talking of public education, and it's nonsense now to be talking of healthcare.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Woah woah woah! No way in hell is any of that true. This statement you just made is factually incorrect. What about public goods? You cannot be saying that public goods go against human interaction.... Are you saying this?
    Well, generally, yes. That is why we require government to break past the incentive structures of Tragedies of the Commons and provide them.

    Not at all.
    “Market socialism” means a proletarian democratic regime in which the mass of the population implements socialist measures within an economy based on commodity production. The market will decide what worker co-ops, or worker owned production facilities fail or proceed.
    So all businesses are simply owned by their workers?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    There are two places in the world for people who have nearly zero concern for the well-being of others: Psychiatric wards and prisons.
    If you are committed against your will a psychiatric ward is essentially a prison. I can't even think of a difference really.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know why they didn't just fold everyone into Medicare.
    That's what I thought. The infrastructure was already there and already went through the tweaking process. It would have prevented the debacle of re-inventing the wheel.

    I think a part of the Affordable Care Act allowed states to expand Medicaid to capture some of the pockets of uninsured persons. North Carolina is one state that gave the federal government and the citizens of North Carolina the middle finger on that option.

    I have my suspicions this was disguised as a way to solve the health care crisis but was a law comletely written by insurance lobbiest to explode the profits for insurance companies in the short run.

    Who knows? I am just looking forward to the point where time passes and we find out what this law is. This could be 10 years from now.
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