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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, I'm guessing that the million or so people who lost their coverage thanks to Obamacare wish they could go back. If Obamacare was such an improvement, why the need to repeatedly (and falsely) promise that nothing has to change for you if you don't want it to?
    When all you had was worthless crap to start with ....there really wasn't anything worth keeping.
    A smart, honest person would know this and admit it.
    A hack would play it for all they could.
    When the policy offered is better, for less money...it would be assumed that no one would want the crap, but the President underestimated the dishonest fear mongers who want people to believe they've lost something.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    ACA goals are to make healthcare more available, more affordable for more Americans than it was before

    of course i would want it to succeed

    now im not saying it will but thats it goals
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    First of all, you're arguing from a premise I can't even begin to care about. It has nothing to do with human rights, and as such, nothing to do with government.
    Isnt the job of a healthcare industry supposed to be to save lives? Not let 45,000 people die because they cant "afford it"? And no it does have a lot to do with government. How does it not at all when talking about getting rid of a for profit healthcare system which i stated and you are the one criticizing the very thing?


    You might as well be trying to learn the language of squirrels right now, as it would get you the same returns as arguing from such absurd position with me. I just don't care what our ranking is in the world, nor am I going to bother to believe an organization that has already admitted to be a liar on healthcare rankings of this sort.
    Yea. **** it! I wouldnt care if we were dead last!


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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    When all you had was worthless crap to start with ....there really wasn't anything worth keeping.
    A smart, honest person would know this and admit it.
    A hack would play it for all they could.
    When the policy offered is better, for less money...it would be assumed that no one would want the crap, but the President underestimated the dishonest fear mongers who want people to believe they've lost something.
    Well, you have the talking points down, but they're complete bull pellets. Where have you heard that premiums have gone down for better coverage? See, anything can be promised but reality is still reality. In order to do what Obamacare promises, premiums had to go up.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ACA goals are to make healthcare more available, more affordable for more Americans than it was before

    of course i would want it to succeed

    now im not saying it will but thats it goals
    Well said AJ ...
    Only an asshole would want it to fail.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    When all you had was worthless crap to start with ....there really wasn't anything worth keeping.
    A smart, honest person would know this and admit it.
    A hack would play it for all they could.
    When the policy offered is better, for less money...it would be assumed that no one would want the crap, but the President underestimated the dishonest fear mongers who want people to believe they've lost something.
    I'm kind of interested why you think your opinion matters on what people consider to be crap or not. It also amazes me that people that are regularly arguing against private monopolies are the same people always arguing for government monopolies.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    I don't understand the question. I support universal health care for all but the PPACA doesn't provide for that. Seems like a seriously flawed plan. I suppose that it will be modified and perhaps contorted into some workable program but as currently written it is probably best that it fails (unless heavily modified). Thought that an expansion of Medicaid would serve the needs better. Hopefully we are headed for a plan closer to France (rated #1 by WHO and with a lot of private insurance) rather than the single payer UK or Canada which even WHO doesn't consider much better than the US system.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, you have the talking points down, but they're complete bull pellets. Where have you heard that premiums have gone down for better coverage? See, anything can be promised but reality is still reality. In order to do what Obamacare promises, premiums had to go up.
    The premiums changed and the policies changed to meet bare minimum standards , in aggregate people got MUCH MUCH better deals with real coverage. Like deals where they wouldn't go bankrupt because of a minor illness or a small accident.
    They couldn't keep what they had and they shouldn't have wanted to. Until dishonest people told them they had had something taken away.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Isnt the job of a healthcare industry supposed to be to save lives? Not let 45,000 people die because they cant "afford it"?
    Besides the fact you are being extremely dishonest, no, their job is to make money. The service they provide is to fill the healthcare needs of their customers. Business is not a charity, and no one is going to do something for a living and make nothing doing it. With that mind, can you tell me how government lowers the cost of the services it provides?

    And no it does have a lot to do with government. How does it not at all when talking about getting rid of a for profit healthcare system which i stated and you are the one criticizing the very thing?
    Really, you're a socialist, so the last time you didn't want the government to run an industry was never. I know full well you don't like people profiting from the exchanges they have with you, but the fact will forever remain that people don't much care for transactions they get nothing from.


    Yea. **** it! I wouldnt care if we were dead last!
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    How exactly does single payer scare you? Are you terrified of communally paid-for roads? Public parks? Are things only okay if there's a higher class profiting from it at the expense of a lower class?
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