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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i thought changing the deadlines was subject to discretion on the part of the department of health and human services?
    It's subject to the executive branch and the regulatory agencies tasked with implementing the legislation.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, the CBO has been quite consistent in it's projections since 2009. The ACA is posted online and it's not that difficult to understand.

    The POTUS has not altered the legislation, only the deadlines to fully implement it.

    If it wasn't for the left, the rural areas wouldn't even have roads, electriciy or running water let alone health care availability.

    The right wing could care less about the debt...that they created. They pretend to care because it gets them elected and once elected they spend like there is no tomorrow.
    Lies and absolute nonsense. The CBO is making predictions based upon PROJECTED data, that's not going to yield sound results. The POTUS did indeed alter the legislation, not only the timing involved but the exemptions allowed. Sorry if that bursts your bubble, but he has, despite the fact that is not in his grant to do so. The left is not solely responsible for roads, electricity or city water. In fact the people who put those things in place in your cities were largely conservative as you can get.

    As to that last, so? That still doesn't answer the question, just reinforces it - are you saying the left wing doesn't want to reduce the debt, and now seemingly according to you doesn't even pretend to care?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's subject to the executive branch and the regulatory agencies tasked with implementing the legislation.
    No, not if those deadlines are written into the bill as they are. Then it's the legislative branch who must make any changes.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Lies and absolute nonsense. The CBO is making predictions based upon PROJECTED data, that's not going to yield sound results.
    The CBO makes projections based on the data. Thats what they do.

    The POTUS did indeed alter the legislation, not only the timing involved but the exemptions allowed. Sorry if that bursts your bubble, but he has, despite the fact that is not in his grant to do so. The left is not solely responsible for roads, electricity or city water. In fact the people who put those things in place in your cities were largely conservative as you can get.
    The people who live in rural areas tend to be conservative and people who live in urban areas tend to be democrat. It's the later that make up the bulk of tax revenue and it's their taxes that pay for the roads and infrastructure for the rural areas. Why? Because rural areas don't have a big enough tax base, thats why.


    As to that last, so? That still doesn't answer the question, just reinforces it - are you saying the left wing doesn't want to reduce the debt, and now seemingly according to you doesn't even pretend to care?
    Huh?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The POTUS has not altered the legislation, only the deadlines to fully implement it.
    Your sentence here is contradictory. How can he not have altered the legislation and yet at the same time altered the deadlines to fully implement it? Is altering the dates of implementation not actually considered "altering" anymore? Did that word suddenly get a re-vamp on its definition that 99.999% of people don't know about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If it wasn't for the left, the rural areas wouldn't even have roads, electriciy or running water let alone health care availability.
    Wow..this is such a crockpot full of crap. So much so that I don't think that there is a proper way to respond as this is such a stupid statement that one couldn't possibly speak slow enough or in small enough words to make even a slight scratch in the stupidity of that statement.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, not if those deadlines are written into the bill as they are. Then it's the legislative branch who must make any changes.
    Nope.

    The Administrative Procedures Act of 1946 gives the POTUS and agencies the "discretion" to implement legislation. The NPRM is defined in the APA. Obama provided a public notice for rule changes to the ACA as per the NPRM....

    Proposed HHS Notice of Benefit and Payment Parameters for 2015 - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your sentence here is contradictory. How can he not have altered the legislation and yet at the same time altered the deadlines to fully implement it? Is altering the dates of implementation not actually considered "altering" anymore? Did that word suddenly get a re-vamp on its definition that 99.999% of people don't know about?

    Wow..this is such a crockpot full of crap. So much so that I don't think that there is a proper way to respond as this is such a stupid statement that one couldn't possibly speak slow enough or in small enough words to make even a slight scratch in the stupidity of that statement.
    Wow, same to you and more of it.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Wow, same to you and more of it.
    Prove it.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Nope.

    The Administrative Procedures Act of 1946 gives the POTUS and agencies the "discretion" to implement legislation. The NPRM is defined in the APA. Obama provided a public notice to the ACA rule changes as per the NPRM....

    Proposed HHS Notice of Benefit and Payment Parameters for 2015 - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
    No, it doesn't allow it to change legislation, but to set rules at the agency level for implementation and enforcement of legislation. These rules must pass a court type procedure.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it doesn't allow it to change legislation, but to set rules at the agency level for implementation and enforcement of legislation. These rules must pass a court type procedure.
    Then I suggest you provide some evidence to prove your claim cuz your opinions don't amount to a hill of beans.

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