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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I agree. Personally, I would rather take the money I am currently paying in health insurance premiums (and my employer pays as part of my compensation), and pay that in Medicare taxes to just extend it across the board. I doubt that would ever happen though.
    I never understood why you guys need the government to do all your nanny stuff. That never made any sense to me.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    It had to be mandatory for all Americans or it would fail. There is no way you can make it work without all funds going into the plan. The problems have cropped up daily and there's no easy solution. The program needs all the premiums to work and then it will always be on the verge of bankruptcy.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?

    Give me a minute to attach the poll.
    To fail ? Future tense? As yet it is not properly functioning so it seems to be failing from the start. I would like to see the program completely dismantled.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never understood why you guys need the government to do all your nanny stuff. That never made any sense to me.
    So, you're OK with an insurance company doing your nanny stuff?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Right now I can choose health care companies, and they have their flaws but I prefer that choice to the DMV of health care. I really do not like the idea of govt involvement. It's bad enough as big as it is. I do prefer it fail and we figure out how to create a free market solution that empowers the consumer, rewards healthy people, and encourages great service.


    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I agree. Personally, I would rather take the money I am currently paying in health insurance premiums (and my employer pays as part of my compensation), and pay that in Medicare taxes to just extend it across the board. I doubt that would ever happen though.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Since you imply only two choices yes. I'd choose a for profit private enterprise over the government every time in the world of health care, retirement, education, housing, energy, car making, banking, etc. maybe not defense and worker safety.


    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    So, you're OK with an insurance company doing your nanny stuff?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never understood why you guys need the government to do all your nanny stuff. That never made any sense to me.
    Because I am a realist. I see the world how it is, not some fantasy world. For example, you say you don't need a nanny state. Well, God forbid you get diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow, at some point you will be too sick to work and thus you will lose your insurance coverage. At that point, the hospital will sign you up for Medicaid so that your care is still paid for, and ultimately your end of life care / hospice will be covered. Thus if you were diagnosed with terminal cancer, libertarian or not, unless you are independently wealthy, you will end up on Medicaid at some point.

    Healthcare is not like any other aspect of the economy in that its really not governed by the laws of supply and demand. If you need a life saving procedure you will get it regardless of how much it costs. You won't say "well that cancer treatment is just too expensive, so I will just die a slow and horrible death". Most people will be on either Medicare or Medicaid before they die. If you are old, then you will be on Medicare. If you are young and die as a result of a debilitating disease, then at some point you will be too sick to work and will end up on Medicaid. The only people that don't depend on Medicare or Medicaid at some point are those that are either independently wealthy or get hit by a bus or something.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Since you imply only two choices yes. I'd choose a for profit private enterprise over the government every time in the world of health care, retirement, education, housing, energy, car making, banking, etc. maybe not defense and worker safety.
    I would go with free market in worker safety. Unions weren't doing all that bad before the government decided to meddle.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Because I am a realist. I see the world how it is, not some fantasy world. For example, you say you don't need a nanny state. Well, God forbid you get diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow, at some point you will be too sick to work and thus you will lose your insurance coverage. At that point, the hospital will sign you up for Medicaid so that your care is still paid for, and ultimately your end of life care / hospice will be covered. Thus if you were diagnosed with terminal cancer, libertarian or not, unless you are independently wealthy, you will end up on Medicaid at some point.

    Healthcare is not like any other aspect of the economy in that its really not governed by the laws of supply and demand. If you need a life saving procedure you will get it regardless of how much it costs. You won't say "well that cancer treatment is just too expensive, so I will just die a slow and horrible death". Most people will be on either Medicare or Medicaid before they die. If you are old, then you will be on Medicare. If you are young and die as a result of a debilitating disease, then at some point you will be too sick to work and will end up on Medicaid. The only people that don't depend on Medicare or Medicaid at some point are those that are either independently wealthy or get hit by a bus or something.
    Yes, yes, the government must meddle, get involved, or even take over an industry because the free market fails. Yeah, yeah, we heard that about a long series of things by now. Why don't you restate the argument for public education. You might notice it's almost exactly like what you just said.

    I do like being signed up for things against my will though. Always nice.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    It had to be mandatory for all Americans or it would fail. There is no way you can make it work without all funds going into the plan. The problems have cropped up daily and there's no easy solution. The program needs all the premiums to work and then it will always be on the verge of bankruptcy.
    I don't know how true this is, but I heard on the radio today that around 800,000 people who signed up on the website have not paid their premiums.

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