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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    It wasn't just a matter of niceness. Nobody knows where medical records are but they pretend to and send me all over the hospital on a wild goose chase. One place I was sent the lady was on the phone, kept talking when I got there about what seemed to be a personal social conversation as I wait patiently. After she got off the phone, instead of asking could I be helped, she proceeded to read the newspaper for a few minutes, then I guess tired of me standing at her counter she finally asked "may I help you?" only to be sent on yet another fruitless trip to the other end of the hospital on another floor. It was a 2 hour lesson on government healthcare.
    I got my lesson back when I was in the service. Sprained my ankle really bad one day, swelled up like a grapefruit and I thought I'd broken it. Some buddies took me to the med center where after I checked in (~15 minutes), I was sent to the 3rd floor (stairs only) for x-rays. I made it to the 2nd floor before nearly collapsing in pain. A nurse saw me and got me a pair of crutches so I could make it to the 3rd floor - by myself (buddies had to stay in the lobby). I arrived at X-ray and checked in (~30 minutes). After the x-ray, I was sent back down to the first floor to wait for results (~1 hour). After results came back, I saw a nurse who walked me up to the 2nd floor for bandaging (~30 minutes). About 2 1/2 hours later I was on my way home with some crutches, a bandaged grapefruit of an ankle that felt like it was about to explode... and 3 aspirin.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think the ACA came from a good place; the President was simply trying to improve the lives of the American people. Not the best solution but I think his heart was in the right place. I cannot say the same for the GOP response. To the GOP its been all about scoring political points, damaging his legacy and being a robust political opposition. I do not think the GOP is interested in improving the lives of the American people when it comes to healthcare reform. The way I see it, they did everything in their power to stop him from being elected including support for other democrats once the GOP primary had been settled in 2008. Nothing they tried in terms of demonization would stick; not a US citizen, deep seeded hatred for white people, middle name association with terror, White House Czars over cabinet members subverts the constitution, BFFs with Bill Ayers, BFFs with Ludacris, mentored by Jeremiah Wright, communist, Maxist, socialist, Muslim, only "half black," guilt by association with both people and simply being from Chicago, nothing. Even the rescue of Captain Richard Phillips of the Maersk Alabama was described as "all he did was kill a few black teenagers" and that didn't work.

    Then along comes healthcare reform and despite its lofty motives, something actually started negatively impacting the Obama politicallyly. A couple of dozen states take the administration to the Supreme Court over the individual mandate provision, despite the fact that idea ORIGINATED with republicans, was mostly opposed by people who had health insurance while decrying its unfairness that they should be forced to buy something they don't want.

    I personally don't like Obamacare in its present form. I don't like employer-based and as a consequence employer-controlled healthcare. Although I support "healthcare," I don't like "health insurance" as all this does is create several middle men who all get their cut of our medical costs while destroying many of the market forces that would lower costs and improve quality. I'm simply being honest about how I see the GOP response to the present ACA law.
    I don't think it came from a good place at all because it has nothing to do with universal healthcare nor healthcare for the poor. It is a way to justify denying healthcare to the poor and tax working people more for healthcare.

    It also is incredibly corrupt by design. Rich people have bought exemptions by political bribery. The entire idea was establish massive payola to the insurance industry, drug companies and the AMA - all to receive a huge cut - in return for supporting and financially supporting incumbents that would support the program.

    It is the marriage of corporations to the government, using the government and IRS and those corporations' bill collector for required purchases with those companies - and an excuse to for hospitals to refuse indigent care for those who do not have the copay or didn't know how to do the paperwork.

    It also was meant to shift the tax burden for indigent care from rich property owners to working people, meaning shifting for indigent healthcare paid for on a progressive tax basis to a massive tax break for the rich.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well the single payer system does not allow something for the same reason it may not be be in the U.S., it is not approved yet or it is not covered as it is seen as unnecessary like cosmetic surgery. They would have allowed it, ultrasounds are fine, people in my family have had them at times. Also our single-payer system pays for people who have to go the U.S. for treatment not available here.
    I'm happy for you that you like the system your country has in place. Canada's government is based on the British system of government which is completely different than that of the US.

    We have freedoms that British based government peoples do not have, and more importantly, we have Constitutionally based restrictions on our government that others do not have.

    Those restrictions on government are good. I support a limited and highly restricted government, with very limited power over my life.

    I prefer to not participate in the downfall of the core premise of my country's existence; freedom.

    That includes freedom from government as well as freedom of choice in my own life such as the decisions regarding my own health care.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm happy for you that you like the system your country has in place. Canada's government is based on the British system of government which is completely different than that of the US.

    We have freedoms that British based government peoples do not have, and more importantly, we have Constitutionally based restrictions on our government that others do not have.

    Those restrictions on government are good. I support a limited and highly restricted government, with very limited power over my life.

    I prefer to not participate in the downfall of the core premise of my country's existence; freedom.

    That includes freedom from government as well as freedom of choice in my own life such as the decisions regarding my own health care.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now, there's a decent argument that the failure of Obamacare could usher in something worse (or better, depending on your point of view - honestly, single payer scares the **** out of me). To be truthful, though, I'm not rooting for Obamacare. I didn't want it and the fact that "you could keep your insurance" had to be such a big part of getting support indicates to me, that a good many of us didn't want it and Obama knew that. Now, I don't know if it can ever fully go away, but presuming it could do you want Obamacare to fail?

    Give me a minute to attach the poll.
    Obamacare HAS failed. Would I like it undone? Absolutely.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    It wasn't just a matter of niceness. Nobody knows where medical records are but they pretend to and send me all over the hospital on a wild goose chase. One place I was sent the lady was on the phone, kept talking when I got there in what seemed to be a personal social conversation as I wait patiently. After she got off the phone, instead of asking could I be helped, she proceeded to read the newspaper for a few minutes, then I guess tired of me standing at her counter she finally asked "may I help you?" only to be sent on yet another fruitless trip to the other end of the hospital on another floor. It was a 2 hour lesson on government healthcare.
    Why do you think any of that would be different under a private system? Except that, in order to curtail expenses and increase profit, that same woman was doing the job of two other people at the same time as well as hers. So, you'd face even worse service. Do you think that her performance would be better if someone was getting rich off of her labor? If you do, would you like to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think this is a good example of why there can be difficulty dealing with the left (and I'm not talking about everyone on the left). Instead of dealing in the realities of problems that even Democrat politicians have acknowledged, to some, any disagreement is a character flaw or makes you sociopathic. There can be no compromise with crusaders.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but who I do business with and who I do not do business with is my business and my right to decide on my own terms. You are not involved and you do not have the right to be involved in my commerce decisions. It is not your call to say I need to do business with this person or that person or that group of people or that group of people over there. You are not involved and you do not have the right tell me what to do in my commerce decisions.

    This very simply concept like the concept of property escapes people like you for no good reason. In fact, my right to decide on these things is a property right. Yay property, the very foundation of all human rights.
    And I'm sure you will, bleed there on the street. Care to bet what you will decide? It is after all commerce and nothing more. Or that loved on who is deadly ill. Don't worry, you you can find a bargain.

    Yes, it is a very simple concept.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So controlling the decisions of property owners is not a violation of property rights? I will be sure to log that next to all the other things you don't understand about rights.
    Well, that's consistent. Doubling down with another exaggeration.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    If you know the person your daughter is marrying is a deadbeat, and beg her not to marry, does that mean you WANT the marriage to fail if she goes through with it?

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