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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, uh, any blame at all for those who actually brought all this on?
    I think the ACA came from a good place; the President was simply trying to improve the lives of the American people. Not the best solution but I think his heart was in the right place. I cannot say the same for the GOP response. To the GOP its been all about scoring political points, damaging his legacy and being a robust political opposition. I do not think the GOP is interested in improving the lives of the American people when it comes to healthcare reform. The way I see it, they did everything in their power to stop him from being elected including support for other democrats once the GOP primary had been settled in 2008. Nothing they tried in terms of demonization would stick; not a US citizen, deep seeded hatred for white people, middle name association with terror, White House Czars over cabinet members subverts the constitution, BFFs with Bill Ayers, BFFs with Ludacris, mentored by Jeremiah Wright, communist, Maxist, socialist, Muslim, only "half black," guilt by association with both people and simply being from Chicago, nothing. Even the rescue of Captain Richard Phillips of the Maersk Alabama was described as "all he did was kill a few black teenagers" and that didn't work.

    Then along comes healthcare reform and despite its lofty motives, something actually started negatively impacting the Obama politicallyly. A couple of dozen states take the administration to the Supreme Court over the individual mandate provision, despite the fact that idea ORIGINATED with republicans, was mostly opposed by people who had health insurance while decrying its unfairness that they should be forced to buy something they don't want.

    I personally don't like Obamacare in its present form. I don't like employer-based and as a consequence employer-controlled healthcare. Although I support "healthcare," I don't like "health insurance" as all this does is create several middle men who all get their cut of our medical costs while destroying many of the market forces that would lower costs and improve quality. I'm simply being honest about how I see the GOP response to the present ACA law.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post


    If that doesn't make someone pause, nothing will.
    Free hugs, maybe? And a magic wand? Those are probably better options.

    Unicorns, sunshine and rainbows might be worth considering too.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    if it could be made to work as well as single payer in Europe, then no, i don't want it to fail. however, i think it probably will fail, and hopefully we'll be sick enough of our stupid system by then to just cover everyone through medicare.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    In fairness I think there are others as well. Police, fire fighters, the military, most state colleges and universities.
    We don't need the government to build roads, deal with fires, or to manage colleges and universities.

    As for the military, it's interesting to note that since the UN was put in place nothing has been done towards the elimination of the miltarys all around the world. In fact, all the major military powers of the world have only become more powerful since that point in time. It is still true today, much like it was in the past, that the military is used for the interest of the state, and throughout history the citizens of countries have been enslaved to fight and die for the cause of their rulers. Today people are told this war or that war is meant to defend the country, but then again, that isn't really new and has been going on since the beginning the military ideal itself. Today all eighteen year old men have to sign up for such a draft or face imprisonment for five years, and all the while the state pretends the draft doesn't exist in the country, and that it was morally wrong to force men into war. Of course, lies are and will forever be lies, and transparent lies are and will forever be the most insulting of the sort. There is a certain amount of involuntary servitude that goes into forcing all young men to sign for the draft, and it is a lie to suggest that the draft doesn't exist and yet the signing up for such a draft still exists and is enforced. Of course, what can you expect of the state when they have the power to form and maintain a military. They will of course, desire to enslave their young men to fight for it, they will of course, use the military to push their influence, and they will of course, use their people has pawns to push the desires of whatever the ruling body finds desirable. It is in the interest of all the people of the world to be done with the military ideal, and if you ask me, a proper use of the UN is to reach for those ends. Of course, a lofty goal, but to suggest that the state has the power to kill, and the rulers have the right to call for the death of others is nonsense.

    Lastly, the criminal justice system I almost entirely disagree with. For one, it is amazing me to that we permit the state to imprison it's own population and when they do so, we sit around and cheer that those under their protection are harming each other. The prison systems shows a fundamental failure of people to handle themselves orderly, and instead of forming a system crafted around restitution, we have formed a system on imprisonment and giving the government the extreme power to rob the people of their complete liberty and in some states, the very lives of the people. The idea that we should imprison anyone confounds me, and leaves me at a lost for words. Why should we imprison someone that is guilty of theft? He steals someones TV, so we steal from him his life? I don't get the exchange even if we are dealing in just an eye for an eye idiocy. There doesn't appear to me to be a way that imprisonment is ever the answer, but alas, I'm pretty much alone on that one.

    Then of course, you have other aspects of that system that seem odd to me. Why is it that the state files charges against someone, and not the victim themselves? What business is of theirs if you or someone commits a crime against me and I don't care? If I don't desire to prosecute that individual should that not be my call to make? If I'm killed, by the criminal in question should that not again be the call of my family if they desire to prosecute? Why is it that the state gets to make the call on something that is obviously the business of the victim or their family? Which of course, I guess would disarm all their arguments towards crimes where there is no victim, or no one really knows exactly who the victim is, but again, isn't that a good thing that the state is disabled to prosecute crimes without a victim to agree to file charges? Again though, I guess I'm alone on thinking there is a problem with the current system.

    The police are an issue I won't touch all that much here, but it should be noted that the police didn't always exist and to a large degree they act more like bullies..ahem..I mean protectors, than people that handle crimes. It would probably make a ton more sense to leave people to their own devices and just leave the police to investigate and arrest criminals.
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Government funded services in America have a horrible reputation as being inefficient, sub-standard, bureaucratic and are often absent any attempt at treating the customer like they're valued. I'm sure you've had horror stories of of your own.
    You do know that's nonsense, right?
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Are you presenting dense comments on purpose?

    • No annual or lifetime limits on healthcare.
    • Insurance companies can't drop you when you are sick or for making a mistake on your application.
    • You can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.
    • You have the right to quickly appeal any health insurance company decision.
    • You have the right to get an easy-to-understand summary about a health plan’s benefits and coverage.
    • Young Adults can stay on their parent's plan until 26.
    • A large improvement to women's health services.
    • Reforms to the healthcare industry to cut wasteful spending.
    • Better care and protections for seniors.
    • New preventative Services at no-out-of pocket costs.
    Am I the only one that noticed all of those violate property rights?

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Am I the only one that noticed all of those violate property rights?

    Yes...you are.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Am I the only one that noticed all of those violate property rights?
    What?
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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Well said AJ ...
    Only an asshole would want it to fail.
    You can count me as one of the assholes! This thing has been a train wreck at best since the very beginning. Since this started my wife's hours were cut at work costing us our family insurance plan as well as income. Costs to get our own plan would be astronomical in comparison to what we had. We liked our old policy but it's gone now.

    I refuse to sign up for the exchange and will just pay the penalty this April. I will never support this forced policy regardless of what political party ends up backing it.

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    Re: Do You Want "Obamacare" to Fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What?
    Who has to be acted on for all those things to come to pass?

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