View Poll Results: Is Putin "in another world" as Angela Merkel of Germany claims?

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  • yes: he thinks he is Peter the Great -clearly delusional

    5 13.51%
  • yes; thinks he can play with the world without real consequences

    6 16.22%
  • no: he is playing 'realpolitik' ; thoughtful gambits

    19 51.35%
  • no: he does what he wants, without any consequences

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think Putin is that brilliant because he is in the process of turning the Ukraine into another Chechnya.
    I'm sure he's aware of partisans - Russia has had them for a long while but the difference here is the Ukraine is not a Muslim state whereas Chechnya is. Ukraine is mostly Ukrainian Orthodox with some smattering of Catholics. There may still be partisan fighting and bombings but somehow I'm not seeing another Chechnya - at least not yet. I also doubt he will keep his military there and nation build. Someone on DP said it today, they'll just install a new leader and government and the military will leave.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task
    . Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said.
    “In another world,” she said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/wo...ref=world&_r=0
    Considering the people of Crimea are more than 58% Russian, less that 25% Ukrainian, and welcome what has happened, who are we to force our media tainted moral views on the situation?

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure he's aware of partisans - Russia has had them for a long while but the difference here is the Ukraine is not a Muslim state whereas Chechnya is. Ukraine is mostly Ukrainian Orthodox with some smattering of Catholics. There may still be partisan fighting and bombings but somehow I'm not seeing another Chechnya - at least not yet.
    10% of the ethnic population of Crimea are Tatar, and they are Muslim. They are also well organized.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    10% of the ethnic population of Crimea are Tatar, and they are Muslim. They are also well organized.
    CIA Factbook identifies the following:

    Ukrainian Orthodox - Kyiv Patriarchate 50.4%, Ukrainian Orthodox - Moscow Patriarchate 26.1%, Ukrainian Greek Catholic 8%, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox 7.2%, Roman Catholic 2.2%, Protestant 2.2%, Jewish 0.6%, other 3.2% (2006 est.)
    If there's a better estimate than 2006 can you link it?
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who is going to kick the Russians out of the Ukraine? Any ideas on that?

    Umm... The Ukrainians?

    Its not real easy to hold on to a nation that doesnt want you. Ask Bush about that. Thats why you wont see Russia go past Crimea. And thats why you wont see a land grab by Russia - just protection for the Crimean Tatars to have a independent state that allows Russia to station troops and her Navy there.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task
    . Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said.
    “In another world,” she said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/wo...ref=world&_r=0
    We are in another world. The US is leading from behind now. Welcome to the New World where the U.S. has decided that that hegemony stuff was sort of a pain in the tuckus, and distracting from the need to micro-regulate whether or not people's insurance companies gave them birth control or not - Russian invasions of the Ukraine and endless civil war in Syria are just some of the features.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    10% of the ethnic population of Crimea are Tatar, and they are Muslim. They are also well organized.
    But organized for what cause?

    I thought their number was over 12%, but the real concern is this... Will the new Russia treat them as good or better than the Ukraine does? They were not treated well before the wall fell.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    CIA Factbook identifies the following:



    If there's a better estimate than 2006 can you link it?
    Here's somthing from 2012

    ( if the link does not work, blame the fact I am posting from a mobile phone)

    Ukraine

    Government agencies and independent think tanks estimate the Muslim population at 500,000, although some Muslim leaders put the number at two million. According to government figures, the majority are Crimean Tatars, numbering an estimated 300,000 and constituting the third-largest ethnic group in Crimea. The Evangelical Baptist Union of Ukraine is the largest Protestant community. Other Protestant groups include Pentecostals, Seventh-day Adventists, Lutherans, Anglicans, Calvinists, Methodists, and Presbyterians. According to the most recent government census data from 2001, there are an estimated 103,600 Jews in the country; however, some local Jewish leaders estimate the number of persons of Jewish heritage to be as high as 370,000.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    But organized for what cause?

    I thought their number was over 12%, but the real concern is this... Will the new Russia treat them as good or better than the Ukraine does? They were not treated well before the wall fell.
    The tarters would prefer the Ukrainians over the russians
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Here's somthing from 2012

    ( if the link does not work, blame the fact I am posting from a mobile phone)

    Ukraine
    I think it's ballpark ... from your same link it's identifying 0.9% Muslim. 1% of 45.6 million is about 4.5 million. Whereas from your link:

    In a 2010 national survey by the Razumkov Center, an independent public policy think tank, 68 percent of respondents self-identify as Christian Orthodox, 7.6 percent as Greek-Catholics, 1.9 percent as Protestants, 0.9 percent as Muslims, and 0.4 percent as Roman Catholics. Another 7.2 percent identify as “simply a Christian,” and 13.2 percent do not belong to any religious group.
    Let's just say 4.5 million muslims. I'm still doubtful but time will tell...
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