View Poll Results: Is Putin "in another world" as Angela Merkel of Germany claims?

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  • yes: he thinks he is Peter the Great -clearly delusional

    5 13.51%
  • yes; thinks he can play with the world without real consequences

    6 16.22%
  • no: he is playing 'realpolitik' ; thoughtful gambits

    19 51.35%
  • no: he does what he wants, without any consequences

    7 18.92%
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' AT.....Yeah they will have a port there too. Now The the Senate Whip and Obama's yes man. Dick Durbin wants Congress to Condemn Putin. WTF!

    Durbin: U.S. needs to ‘draw a line’

    International pressure on Russia mounted as leaders from the EU and the UK joined an international outcry over the escalation of violence in the region. On the domestic front, Durbin and Graham said that there are actions Congress can take to show Putin his use of military force is unacceptable.

    “We’ve got to make it clear to Putin that if there are Russian-speaking people on the soil of another nation, that doesn’t give him license to invade, to protect them when there is no obvious threat against them,” Durbin said. “What Congress has to do, what the Senate has to do quickly is a resolution condemning what Putin has done.”

    The Illinois Democrat said that Russia’s “charm offensive,” dumping billions of dollars into the 2014 Winter Olympics held in Sochi, has done little to redefine the nation’s image among Western nations.

    “That Sochi charm offensive died on the streets of Sevastopol (Ukraine) when he moved in thousands of troops days after the closing ceremony. He is trying to have it both ways,” Durbin said. “We’ve got to make him feel like there is a price to pay for this kind of conduct.”

    Graham said the U.S. needs to make clear to countries surrounding Russia its resolve to take action against Putin and accelerate the admission of neighboring countries, like Georgia and Moldova, into NATO.....snip~

    Durbin calls for suspension of Russia, swift action against Putin | WQAD.com
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The interesting thing is that he is proceeding full bore ahead, in spite of what the rest of the world thinks! He's awfully confident that he will prevail, isn't he? Or is it a bluff, since no one is challenging him, except in rhetoric? Have you heard what side the UN is taking?

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    I think he had this planned for a while - he knew the US had no stomach for a military conflict nor would we respond to even a threat given the last decade of Iraq and Afghanistan. He also correctly gauged our WH and administration to not put much of a blockade. He timed it such that it was right after Sochi Olympics. I'm not as dialed in with how the EU is handling it or what their take on this is, but I gather the EU is not particularly offended since Ukraine was a former USSR block state. I haven't seen much from the UN yet but then again I haven't looked either. This really seems to be one of those "no one is going to stop you" though we may try and issue economic sanctions. I don't have much faith in the UN or NATO for that matter.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post


    I think he had this planned for a while - he knew the US had no stomach for a military conflict nor would we respond to even a threat given the last decade of Iraq and Afghanistan. He also correctly gauged our WH and administration to not put much of a blockade. He timed it such that it was right after Sochi Olympics. I'm not as dialed in with how the EU is handling it or what their take on this is, but I gather the EU is not particularly offended since Ukraine was a former USSR block state. I haven't seen much from the UN yet but then again I haven't looked either. This really seems to be one of those "no one is going to stop you" though we may try and issue economic sanctions. I don't have much faith in the UN or NATO for that matter.
    The EU is dependent upon the oil and gas he provides, so they aren't going to complain too loud. The UN isn't going to complain much either, since Russia is one of the "Big 5" in the UN. One can only hope that the Ukrainian people aren't treated too badly, since they didn't have much say in what their government does. Sounds a lot like us, doesn't it?

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    I just don't like the appearance that America was blindsided by a very well thought out move by Putin, and we are now flailing around again trying to find a way out. That's not how it should be, but that's the way it looks to the rest of the world!
    Your post presupposes that the USA had nothing to do with the insurrection. Victoria Nuland's statement from January that "Yats" would be put in charge would most certainly indicate subversive USA/CIA intrigue underlying the "protestor" insurrection. Nuland also admitted the USA spent $5 billion in Ukraine. Show me the receipts where this money was spent. In the meantime I shall assume it was spent establishing NGOs, staffing, transportation, and logistices to organize and move personnel to become identified as "protestors" by the Mighty Wurlitzer. No Western Media asks what the $5 billion is/was spent doing or/and if it helped Ukrianian citizens directly. That is known as framing the news and not censoring/adjusting the News. That's what we get in the USA. This scenario needs objective reporting of real news, not political statements nor Intelligence Agency controlling the framing and twisted news to support their ulterior agenda. The way I perceive this is that Putin is the good guy in these events and reacting conservatively to chaos and a power vacuum created by yours truly. Russia needs/requires a stable Ukraine. Keep the mind flexible to perceive that possibility.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post


    I think he had this planned for a while - he knew the US had no stomach for a military conflict nor would we respond to even a threat given the last decade of Iraq and Afghanistan. He also correctly gauged our WH and administration to not put much of a blockade. He timed it such that it was right after Sochi Olympics. I'm not as dialed in with how the EU is handling it or what their take on this is, but I gather the EU is not particularly offended since Ukraine was a former USSR block state. I haven't seen much from the UN yet but then again I haven't looked either. This really seems to be one of those "no one is going to stop you" though we may try and issue economic sanctions. I don't have much faith in the UN or NATO for that matter.
    I don't think Putin is that brilliant because he is in the process of turning the Ukraine into another Chechnya.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    This issue of Crimea and the Ukraine are only footnotes to what the real issues is. Nuclear proliferation.

    Do all the little maniac leaders around the world get nuclear weapons or not? If Russia ends up annexing Crimea or creating it as an "independent country," there is no deal to ever be made to prevent any country gaining nuclear weapons in the future - and all have compelling reasons to do so.

    A deal was made with the Ukraine that if they gave up their nuclear weapons we would protect the integrity of their borders. They gave up their nuclear weapons as their part of the deal. Now? Russia has laughed at the Ukraine, invades and taken apart of their country. Our response is basically to tell the Ukraine that we were also part of that trickery.

    The world message being sent is very clear. Iran, N. Korea and nearly every other country in the world should make obtaining nuclear weapons their highest priority. Otherwise they face military conquest. Any treaty or agreement about nuclear weapons is, in reality, worthless to them. We are now proving that.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your post presupposes that the USA had nothing to do with the insurrection. Victoria Nuland's statement from January that "Yats" would be put in charge would most certainly indicate subversive USA/CIA intrigue underlying the "protestor" insurrection. Nuland also admitted the USA spent $5 billion in Ukraine. Show me the receipts where this money was spent. In the meantime I shall assume it was spent establishing NGOs, staffing, transportation, and logistices to organize and move personnel to become identified as "protestors" by the Mighty Wurlitzer. No Western Media asks what the $5 billion is/was spent doing or/and if it helped Ukrianian citizens directly. That is known as framing the news and not censoring/adjusting the News. That's what we get in the USA. This scenario needs objective reporting of real news, not political statements nor Intelligence Agency controlling the framing and twisted news to support their ulterior agenda. The way I perceive this is that Putin is the good guy in these events and reacting conservatively to chaos and a power vacuum created by yours truly. Russia needs/requires a stable Ukraine. Keep the mind flexible to perceive that possibility.
    :Agree: With all the problems this country is facing...92 million unemployed or under-employed; skyrocketing food stamp usage so people can eat; infrastructure crumbling; a national debt in excess of $ 17 trillion and climbing as we speak; and general unhappiness with the ACA and the way DC operates, why do we somehow manage to find the money to give to countries who hate us--but love our money? Why are our problems either ignored or put on hold till some future date?

    You did notice that we are being asked to send billions to "help the people of Ukraine," didn't you? If we do same, I wonder how much of that money the average person over there will ever see? Meh!!!

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This issue of Crimea and the Ukraine are only footnotes to what the real issues is. Nuclear proliferation.

    Do all the little maniac leaders around the world get nuclear weapons or not? If Russia ends up annexing Crimea or creating it as an "independent country," there is no deal to ever be made to prevent any country gaining nuclear weapons in the future - and all have compelling reasons to do so.

    A deal was made with the Ukraine that if they gave up their nuclear weapons we would protect the integrity of their borders. They gave up their nuclear weapons as their part of the deal. Now? Russia has laughed at the Ukraine, invades and taken apart of their country. Our response is basically to tell the Ukraine that we were also part of that trickery.

    The world message being sent is very clear. Iran, N. Korea and nearly every other country in the world should make obtaining nuclear weapons their highest priority. Otherwise they face military conquest. Any treaty or agreement about nuclear weapons is, in reality, worthless to them. We are now proving that.
    I don't think Putin is doing anything smart if he is resorting to military force to keep control of Ukraine.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Being willing to commit violence by proxy, via bombs and/or sending in troops, does not require being tough. The people at the top aren't the ones at risk of death or injury. In the USA, it takes more resolve (toughness) to avoid the violence option over any alternatives due to the constant harping of the hawks.

    With Libya and Syria, Obama saw that he was widely criticized when he attempted to avoid using military support or action and equally criticized when he suggested using it. Nothing he can or will do will keep him from being criticized. In my opinion, every possible non-violent tactic needs to be exhausted before we even consider getting involved militarily. This is the type of situation that can lead to another World war or cold war. Some people salivate at that prospect, but it will bring a lot of misery.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    I do not know who is "Peter the Great" but whether Putin is delusional or not it makes no difference. There should be consequences to his breaking the Ukrainian treaty unilaterally.
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