View Poll Results: Is Putin "in another world" as Angela Merkel of Germany claims?

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  • yes: he thinks he is Peter the Great -clearly delusional

    5 13.51%
  • yes; thinks he can play with the world without real consequences

    6 16.22%
  • no: he is playing 'realpolitik' ; thoughtful gambits

    19 51.35%
  • no: he does what he wants, without any consequences

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Thread: Is Putin "in another world"

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Oakham. Merkel is way off base. What.....they can't figure out that Putin, has been talking about the Ukraine since Bush junior and 2008. Back then he told Georgie Boy.....Ukraine was a Russian Territory. What changed from then? What has Putin's actions shown all along?

    One thing all are forgetting with Putin. He looks at the Fall of Russia as the Worst 20th Century Geo Political Disaster that ever took place. He has stated this over and over again. But Like RM and FA are saying he is trying to unify the People known as Russians. Just as we would do and did do with 911.

    That said.....he also sees the EU and US affecting his Naval abilities and Russian projection of power. First in and around Syria......and now here around the home of his Black Fleet. It's not happening and he just made that point. Despite the Russians willing to bargain over Syria. Knowing now they can have a Base back in Egypt.
    shows just how everything is inter-related in world power projections.
    I assume you mean the new 'dialog' between Eqypt & Russia - specifically the new arms deal? (2/14/14)
    Russia and Egypt have reached an initial agreement on an arms deal worth more than $2 billion, during a meeting in Moscow between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Egyptian army chief Abdel Fattah al Sisi, a local newspaper, Vedomosti, reported Friday.
    The Egyptian army chief said, according to The Moscow Times: “We of course are also interested in various forms of cooperation with you in the interests of providing a good life for our people in all spheres. We are always supporters of stability and peace throughout the world
    which is in part from Obama's unilateral decision - without calls from Congress- to suspend replacement parts, and new fighters to Egypt, because of their "junta government."
    Always though that was a bad idea -opening the door to Russian expansionism in the ME.

    Russia And Egypt Reach Initial Agreements Over Arms Deal Worth $2 Billion During Sisi's Visit To Moscow

    I do think we're cutting way too much naval power - going back to 200 ships, no matter how advanced that juist isn't enough to support our fleets ability to have a continual presence.
    Not just for Russian expansionism, but for the new Chinese navy expanding.

    These events do not happen in isolation, and I think Obama is either clueless, or willfully ignorant of global power plays

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    I just don't like the appearance that America was blindsided by a very well thought out move by Putin, and we are now flailing around again trying to find a way out. That's not how it should be, but that's the way it looks to the rest of the world!

    Well there are a lot that feel the same Lady P ......and some that are our allies. Right now there are questions that are being put out there asking.....Do you have Confidence in the Leadership of the Country? All coming about due to comments made by Kerry, Powers, Rice, and Obama. Threats and demands with Obama telling Putin he is violating International Law. While appearing and being perceived around the World.....that they had no clue as to what was going on here.

    I am sure Team Obama doesn't mind the attention being taken off his care package. But you are Right.....there is no mistaking he and his Team were blind-sided by this.

    Then again.....what I know.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    There's no question that the entire West was blindsided The US and its President included. Who might these "allies" be, who presumably saw it coming but said nothing?
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    shows just how everything is inter-related in world power projections.
    I assume you mean the new 'dialog' between Eqypt & Russia - specifically the new arms deal? (2/14/14)


    which is in part from Obama's unilateral decision - without calls from Congress- to suspend replacement parts, and new fighters to Egypt, because of their "junta government."
    Always though that was a bad idea -opening the door to Russian expansionism in the ME.

    Russia And Egypt Reach Initial Agreements Over Arms Deal Worth $2 Billion During Sisi's Visit To Moscow

    I do think we're cutting way too much naval power - going back to 200 ships, no matter how advanced that juist isn't enough to support our fleets ability to have a continual presence.
    Not just for Russian expansionism, but for the new Chinese navy expanding.

    These events do not happen in isolation, and I think Obama is either clueless, or willfully ignorant of global power plays

    Mornin' AT.....Yeah they will have a port there too. Now The the Senate Whip and Obama's yes man. Dick Durbin wants Congress to Condemn Putin. WTF!

    Durbin: U.S. needs to ‘draw a line’

    International pressure on Russia mounted as leaders from the EU and the UK joined an international outcry over the escalation of violence in the region. On the domestic front, Durbin and Graham said that there are actions Congress can take to show Putin his use of military force is unacceptable.

    “We’ve got to make it clear to Putin that if there are Russian-speaking people on the soil of another nation, that doesn’t give him license to invade, to protect them when there is no obvious threat against them,” Durbin said. “What Congress has to do, what the Senate has to do quickly is a resolution condemning what Putin has done.”

    The Illinois Democrat said that Russia’s “charm offensive,” dumping billions of dollars into the 2014 Winter Olympics held in Sochi, has done little to redefine the nation’s image among Western nations.

    “That Sochi charm offensive died on the streets of Sevastopol (Ukraine) when he moved in thousands of troops days after the closing ceremony. He is trying to have it both ways,” Durbin said. “We’ve got to make him feel like there is a price to pay for this kind of conduct.”

    Graham said the U.S. needs to make clear to countries surrounding Russia its resolve to take action against Putin and accelerate the admission of neighboring countries, like Georgia and Moldova, into NATO.....snip~

    Durbin calls for suspension of Russia, swift action against Putin | WQAD.com

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There's no question that the entire West was blindsided The US and its President included. Who might these "allies" be, who presumably saw it coming but said nothing?
    I don't think any in the West saw it coming.....how does this change what they viewed now these past days with conflicting Messages being put out by the US?

    Do you think that our allies seeing we were blindsided would talk with their people and mention that since such happened. This is what needs to be done?

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task
    . Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said.
    “In another world,” she said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/wo...ref=world&_r=0
    Germany and Frau Merkel are the ones that should run a reality chrck. That woman runs one of the countries most dependent on foreign trade in the world and acts as though international security were a free good. Why that country can barely put 9.000 troops in the field and is struggling valiantly to raise that number to 12.000 in a few years. The population believes that the EU has guaranteed peace since WWII. She is very good at the game of domestic power politics. But internationally that country is a loose cannon.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I don't think any in the West saw it coming.....how does this change what they viewed now these past days with conflicting Messages being put out by the US?

    Do you think that our allies seeing we were blindsided would talk with their people and mention that since such happened. This is what needs to be done?
    Unless I am missing something awfully important, Obama's people are nothing to be proud of.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There's no question that the entire West was blindsided The US and its President included. Who might these "allies" be, who presumably saw it coming but said nothing?
    If someone was following what was happening, they should have understood the fears in Eastern Ukraine and the anger in Russia at the EU's treaty proposal. And having watched the ruthlessness Putin showed in Syria and remembering the game he played in Georgia a professional that didn't see this or something very close to it coming should be fired.
    This brings us to the question, what made the Europeans act as they did.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If someone was following what was happening, they should have understood the fears in Eastern Ukraine and the anger in Russia at the EU's treaty proposal. And having watched the ruthlessness Putin showed in Syria and remembering the game he played in Georgia a professional that didn't see this or something very close to it coming should be fired.
    This brings us to the question, what made the Europeans act as they did.
    Invasion is a tool of desperation only used when other methods of persuasion has failed.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Invasion is a tool of desperation only used when other methods of persuasion has failed.
    It seems he persuaded a large part of the population in Eastern Ukraine. That is doing okay for his purposes . They will return to the fold. And the West? He doesn't seem interested in invasion to me. In effect the EU and Russia have carved up the country between them.

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