View Poll Results: Is Putin "in another world" as Angela Merkel of Germany claims?

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    5 13.51%
  • yes; thinks he can play with the world without real consequences

    6 16.22%
  • no: he is playing 'realpolitik' ; thoughtful gambits

    19 51.35%
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To quote on of my favorite movies, "Russians son, don't take a dump without a plan."

    He's got a plan, he's picked his moment not by mistake or situations but because he's planned this for a long time, and will now execute that plan. He's smart, calculating and a strong leader - if he wants Ukraine and Crimea he will be allowed to take them - no one is going to step in front of him and block his plan. The only thing the rest of the world can do is try and implement economic sanctions and isolate Russia effectively bringing back the cold war.

    To the US President: The 1980's are on the phone and guess what they want to talk about? It's not al-qaeda...

    Obama: The 1980s Called, They Want Their Policy Back - DailyFinance
    You're taking your cues on foreign policy from a movie? I take mine from the "Hunt for Red October." It blew me away when I got to Russia and they didn't all sound like Sean Connery.

    Honestly, I spent 3 weeks there a couple of years ago, and if they plan everything, you wouldn't know. Moscow highways are a giant cluster****. Millions of cars doing whatever the hell they want to...the trains are planned, but not much else.


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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    We'll keep watching how the empty suit responds to this crisis.
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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're taking your cues on foreign policy from a movie?
    I'm pointing out what I see as an entertainment quote which fits a current event.


    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Honestly, I spent 3 weeks there a couple of years ago, and if they plan everything, you wouldn't know. Moscow highways are a giant cluster****. Millions of cars doing whatever the hell they want to...the trains are planned, but not much else.
    Did you spend your time with the Parliament, President or military leaders? I'd personally would be hesitant to associate compare their government plans and executes military agenda's based on their vehicle traffic problems.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To quote on of my favorite movies, "Russians son, don't take a dump without a plan."

    He's got a plan, he's picked his moment not by mistake or situations but because he's planned this for a long time, and will now execute that plan. He's smart, calculating and a strong leader - if he wants Ukraine and Crimea he will be allowed to take them - no one is going to step in front of him and block his plan. The only thing the rest of the world can do is try and implement economic sanctions and isolate Russia effectively bringing back the cold war.

    To the US President: The 1980's are on the phone and guess what they want to talk about? It's not al-qaeda...

    Obama: The 1980s Called, They Want Their Policy Back - DailyFinance

    Mornin' Oakham. Merkel is way off base. What.....they can't figure out that Putin, has been talking about the Ukraine since Bush junior and 2008. Back then he told Georgie Boy.....Ukraine was a Russian Territory. What changed from then? What has Putin's actions shown all along?

    One thing all are forgetting with Putin. He looks at the Fall of Russia as the Worst 20th Century Geo Political Disaster that ever took place. He has stated this over and over again. But Like RM and FA are saying he is trying to unify the People known as Russians. Just as we would do and did do with 911.

    That said.....he also sees the EU and US affecting his Naval abilities and Russian projection of power. First in and around Syria......and now here around the home of his Black Fleet. It's not happening and he just made that point. Despite the Russians willing to bargain over Syria. Knowing now they can have a Base back in Egypt.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Oakham. Merkel is way off base. What.....they can't figure out that Putin, has been talking about the Ukraine since Bush junior and 2008. Back then he told Georgie Boy.....Ukraine was a Russian Territory. What changed from then? What has Putin's actions shown all along?

    One thing all are forgetting with Putin. He looks at the Fall of Russia as the Worst 20th Century Geo Political Disaster that ever took place. He has stated this over and over again. But Like RM and FA are saying he is trying to unify the People known as Russians. Just as we would do and did do with 911.

    That said.....he also sees the EU and US affecting his Naval abilities and Russian projection of power. First in and around Syria......and now here around the home of his Black Fleet. It's not happening and he just made that point. Despite the Russians willing to bargain over Syria. Knowing now they can have a Base back in Egypt.
    She may be trying to tamp down the possible public anxiety by down playing this. I certainly hope she's not clueless here and will work towards economic sanctions especially with EU banks to send a little pain the Kremlin's way.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    She may be trying to tamp down the possible public anxiety by down playing this. I certainly hope she's not clueless here and will work towards economic sanctions especially with EU banks to send a little pain the Kremlin's way.
    Economic sanctions wont work here and it will rebound back. So even if they talked about them. Getting them implemented is another thing. There will be delays and back offs by other countries.

    Banning them from the G-8 and G 20 for a year will do what exactly? Then he can keep even more hidden all the way around. So when they threaten this. That may appear as being positive but it really isn't prudent if they want to know the ingredients of that Ritz cracker Putin is using.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Economic sanctions wont work here and it will rebound back. So even if they talked about them. Getting them implemented is another thing. There will be delays and back offs by other countries.

    Banning them from the G-8 and G 20 for a year will do what exactly? Then he can keep even more hidden all the way around. So when they threaten this. That may appear as being positive but it really isn't prudent if they want to know the ingredients of that Ritz cracker Putin is using.
    It's hard to say what the effect will be. One can suppose that if most if not all of the G-8 can get on board with sanctions, it would put pressure on Putin - how much pressure and what real effects would be are at this time, probably unknown. There is a chance it could boomerang certainly - but I find Obama is very anxious to not burn a bridge with Russia or Putin. It will be a political embarrassment if the cold war returns for round 2 and probably seen as another failure of his administration. I don't see a strong card the US can play here other than paying Russia off or conceding to demands they may have - and even then - I don't see how capitulation would fit in with Putin's plan and he does have one. We just need to confirm what it is.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task
    . Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said.
    In another world, she said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/wo...ref=world&_r=0
    Putins actions only seem crazy if you view him as a responsible world leader. If you view him for what he really is--a gangster and a thug--then his actions make perfect sense. That would make Merkel the one out of touch with reality, not Putin.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's hard to say what the effect will be. One can suppose that if most if not all of the G-8 can get on board with sanctions, it would put pressure on Putin - how much pressure and what real effects would be are at this time, probably unknown. There is a chance it could boomerang certainly - but I find Obama is very anxious to not burn a bridge with Russia or Putin. It will be a political embarrassment if the cold war returns for round 2 and probably seen as another failure of his administration. I don't see a strong card the US can play here other than paying Russia off or conceding to demands they may have - and even then - I don't see how capitulation would fit in with Putin's plan and he does have one. We just need to confirm what it is.

    Kerry is telling the American people that Putin isn't operating from a position of strength.....does this tell you how out of touch Team Obama is? Even most Leaders around the world can see Putin is.....Operating from a Position of strength. He is controlling the Ukraine with 6k troops. Has 144k ready to jump and none can muster up a force other than the Ukrainians.

    Look the gas lines all go thru the Ukraine. Gobs of them. Putin will pass Royalties Right on down the line. No one in the EU is going to want that coming back at them. It will cause even more trouble.

    Putin already knew the Russian markets would take a hit.....all this was thought ahead. Russian Banks raised rates 1%. Effectively.

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    Re: Is Putin "in another world"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Kerry is telling the American people that Putin isn't operating from a position of strength.....does this tell you how out of touch Team Obama is? Even most Leaders around the world can see Putin is.....Operating from a Position of strength. He is controlling the Ukraine with 6k troops. Has 144k ready to jump and none can muster up a force other than the Ukrainians.

    Look the gas lines all go thru the Ukraine. Gobs of them. Putin will pass Royalties Right on down the line. No one in the EU is going to want that coming back at them. It will cause even more trouble.

    Putin already knew the Russian markets would take a hit.....all this was thought ahead. Russian Banks raised rates 1%. Effectively.
    Good morning, MMC.

    I just don't like the appearance that America was blindsided by a very well thought out move by Putin, and we are now flailing around again trying to find a way out. That's not how it should be, but that's the way it looks to the rest of the world!

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