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Thread: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

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    Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    A couple of years ago we were thinking 2016 would be Chris Christie vs. Hillary. However, today its looks at least plausible both Clinton and Christie might not be candidates.

    My question is if both Clinton and Christie are out, which party has the best chance at winning the White House in 2016? I know, this poll isn't going to be anywhere near accurate has party loyalists tend to throw honesty out the window with questions like this and instead use the opportunity to make their side look strongest for partisan reasons but I thought I's at least ask and see what supporting comments would be offered....all with a grain of salt, of course.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A couple of years ago we were thinking 2016 would be Chris Christie vs. Hillary. However, today its looks at least plausible both Clinton and Christie might not be candidates.

    My question is if both Clinton and Christie are out, which party has the best chance at winning the White House in 2016? I know, this poll isn't going to be anywhere near accurate has party loyalists tend to throw honesty out the window with questions like this and instead use the opportunity to make their side look strongest for partisan reasons but I thought I's at least ask and see what supporting comments would be offered....all with a grain of salt, of course.
    It was plausible both would be out 2 years ago. It is still plausible, but still highly unlikely. Both will most likely run.

    Edit: electorally, democrats have an edge no matter who runs, so with both out it still favors democrats.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A couple of years ago we were thinking 2016 would be Chris Christie vs. Hillary. However, today its looks at least plausible both Clinton and Christie might not be candidates.

    My question is if both Clinton and Christie are out, which party has the best chance at winning the White House in 2016? I know, this poll isn't going to be anywhere near accurate has party loyalists tend to throw honesty out the window with questions like this and instead use the opportunity to make their side look strongest for partisan reasons but I thought I's at least ask and see what supporting comments would be offered....all with a grain of salt, of course.
    Will it be the Tweedledeeblicans, or the Tweedledumocrats in '16? Interesting question. The Tweedledeeblicans had the best candidate last time around, and yet, still lost due to inept campaigning. If both candidates are equally bad, I'd bet on the Democrats. They have the best campaigners, can raise a lot of money, and potentially the most voters if they can activate their base.

    Not that it really matters, but it is kind of interesting, much like speculating on the outcome of the Superbowl.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    For the last two presidential elections, the "top candidate (eventual nominee)" for both parties has been someone I either had to hold my nose to vote for, or couldn't bring myself to vote for at all.

    Christie vs. Clinton would be more of the same, so I damn well HOPE that neither is the candidate for their respective parties.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    The democrats have demographic trends going for them. I could be wrong but I don't see the GOP winning the White House for a long time, regardless of the candidate. Hispanics are probably going to tip the scales in favor of the Democrats for a generation as the GOP has made it clear they see them as a problem. Texas should be a swing state possibly as soon at 2016 while Florida will go solidly blue. Puerto Rico will gain statehood at some point soon as a blue state. Then add women voters, most of whom are trending democrat and the GOP senior citizen vote that sadly one day will not be with us and to me the question is will the democrats get arrorgant and ram through unpopular policies just because they'll control the White House and both houses of congress. If they do, that could be the best hope the GOP might have at any significant influence the Washington in future years.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    The dems will because the downhill slide has already gained momentum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A couple of years ago we were thinking 2016 would be Chris Christie vs. Hillary. However, today its looks at least plausible both Clinton and Christie might not be candidates.

    My question is if both Clinton and Christie are out, which party has the best chance at winning the White House in 2016? I know, this poll isn't going to be anywhere near accurate has party loyalists tend to throw honesty out the window with questions like this and instead use the opportunity to make their side look strongest for partisan reasons but I thought I's at least ask and see what supporting comments would be offered....all with a grain of salt, of course.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    The dems will because the downhill slide has already gained momentum.
    If anything, democrats might get elected because people either don't see or won't deal with the horrifying amounts of BS nearly all politicians spout constantly.
    But democrats are better at making it "don't see".
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    The demographics and changing American values make it almost impossible for Republicans to win the White House. Maybe Congress. Not the White House.

    I despised Ron Paul and he would have gotten slaughtered, but Republicans tactically should play a wild card and run Rand Paul. If they pick from the list of other Republicans now they will lose again, but again in the 46 to 47% respectable lose range. Rand Paul is so "different" it is hard to calculate.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    electorally, democrats have an edge no matter who runs, so with both out it still favors democrats.
    Balderdash!! Electorally independents are currently breaking Republican due to a slow economic recovery coupled with uncertainty and resentment over Obamacare.

    In 2016 two things are most certainly to occur in the Presidential election.

    1) African Americans will not vote in the same numbers they did in the last two elections
    2) Evangelical Christians who sat out due to a issues with a "Mormon" candidate will be back to vote.

    If the economy is still weak, the Repubs will even pick up more Hispanic votes than last time. That is if they don't trip all over their feet over immigration.

    As usual , the democratic play-book will be focused on the war on women, the war on minorities, the war on the elderly and the war on immigrants, and not about jobs or the economy.


    Republicans have a pretty good chance again.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Balderdash!! Electorally independents are currently breaking Republican due to a slow economic recovery coupled with uncertainty and resentment over Obamacare.

    In 2016 two things are most certainly to occur in the Presidential election.

    1) African Americans will not vote in the same numbers they did in the last two elections
    2) Evangelical Christians who sat out due to a issues with a "Mormon" candidate will be back to vote.

    If the economy is still weak, the Repubs will even pick up more Hispanic votes than last time. That is if they don't trip all over their feet over immigration.

    As usual , the democratic play-book will be focused on the war on women, the war on minorities, the war on the elderly and the war on immigrants, and not about jobs or the economy.


    Republicans have a pretty good chance again.
    Do you know the difference between the Electoral College and demographics? Might want to look those two terms up, then get back to me.

    Also note that all of your claims are based on unfounded claims. I can back up the electoral map, how many safe states for each side, and add up the electoral votes. However, being lazy, I will just steal a post made earlier today by some one who is really smart on elections(I strongly recommend reading his blog posts).

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not think so. I think whomever the Democratic nominee is, he/she will be starting out with a huge electoral college advantage. Trust worth blue states add up to 258 electoral votes with only 270 needed to win. The Republicans have on 186 electoral votes in trust worthy states. Of course this all depends on whom is the nominees. A Schweitzer run would place MT 3 EV into the Democratic column leaving them only 9 short of victory with the toss up states listed as Fl, NC, VA, OH, NH, IA and NV.

    This sort of built in advantage is what made Christie so desirable for the GOP before bridgegate, he would have switched NJ 14 EV into the GOP column and probably made the states of PA, CT, DE into the toss up column dropping the Democratic trust worthy states down to 214 vs. Christies's 200. Christie before bridgegate basically made the race an even one. I see as of today, no other candidate that has the power to do that for the GOP.
    The fact is, there simply are more electoral votes in reasonably solid blue states than reasonably solid red states. My point is solid, yours, not so much.
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