View Poll Results: If neither Clinton nor Christie are candidates for POTUS in '16, which party wins?

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Thread: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If anything, democrats might get elected because people either don't see or won't deal with the horrifying amounts of BS nearly all politicians spout constantly.
    But democrats are better at making it "don't see".
    I think one of the Republicans biggest PR nightmares with a few exceptions isn't politicians, its pundits and the culture they foster at the grass roots level. Voters don't just listen to what the politicians say in deciding how to vote. They also consider what the pundits say and observe the culture of the political team of the candidate.

    Secondly, I think corporate America who are essentially the voters' employers hurt the chances of the GOP winning back the White House. The GOP is perceived by most average voters as the party of rich; the same constituency that wants to downsize their jobs, cut benefits, reduce compensation while increasing work and outsource to India while giving themselves bigger compensation packages and bonuses. Meanwhile the democrats have positioned as being the party that represents the economic interests of typical Americans.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you know the difference between the Electoral College and demographics? Might want to look those two terms up, then get back to me.

    Also note that all of your claims are based on unfounded claims. I can back up the electoral map, how many safe states for each side, and add up the electoral votes. However, being lazy, I will just steal a post made earlier today by some one who is really smart on elections(I strongly recommend reading his blog posts).



    The fact is, there simply are more electoral votes in reasonably solid blue states than reasonably solid red states. My point is solid, yours, not so much.
    I am not sure what you are talking about here. My point is the huge advantage in trust worthy or as you put it, solid blue states. Christie prior to bridgegate could have changed that advantage, NJ's 14 taken from the Democratic column and placed into the Republican, probably PA, CT and DE (30 EV) from the solid Democratic column into the toss up column. After bridgegate or as of now, Christie is not in play and neither are the changes I just stated. PA, CT, DE and NJ (44 EV) remain solid blue/trustworthy Democratic without him.

    Hence my statement of it being good political strategy on the Democrats part to tear Christie down as much as they can with bridgegate. If you think what I said is wrong, no problem. It is just opinions anyway. But it seems to me we said or are saying the same thing. The Democrats no matter who they run start off with around a 70 vote EV advantage regardless of who they run. Only Christie of the ones mentioned on the Republicans could have shrunk that advantage to approximately even, that is before bridgegate. Not now.

    Personally at this time I do not see how any Republican can over come the current huge EV advantage the Democrats have. But one never knows what events, what issues will be hot, two and one half years from now. Political situations and advantages are very dynamic. They change over time. But the Republican Party is on the down slide and if not for the ACA, would becoming pretty irrelevant, even in this years election.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Balderdash!! Electorally independents are currently breaking Republican due to a slow economic recovery coupled with uncertainty and resentment over Obamacare.

    In 2016 two things are most certainly to occur in the Presidential election.

    1) African Americans will not vote in the same numbers they did in the last two elections
    2) Evangelical Christians who sat out due to a issues with a "Mormon" candidate will be back to vote.

    If the economy is still weak, the Repubs will even pick up more Hispanic votes than last time. That is if they don't trip all over their feet over immigration.

    As usual , the democratic play-book will be focused on the war on women, the war on minorities, the war on the elderly and the war on immigrants, and not about jobs or the economy.


    Republicans have a pretty good chance again.
    2) Evangelical Christians who sat out due to a issues with a "Mormon" candidate will be back to vote
    Unless they run Romney once again, just to make sure they can beat a dead horse once more.
    While it may not happen in 2016, here is to hoping for a viable 3rd party. I am so darn tired of having to choose between bad and worse.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Republicans will nominate someone who is favored by the power elite. He will be physically unattractive, dogmatic and be a centrist while claiming to be a fiscal and social conservative. If elected his style of governance will be slightly better than Obama, his justice department will be a thousand times better than Obama's and he will bring adults in to run the State Department.

    My guess, Huckabee, who I can't stand.

    Democrats will nominate a leftist who parrots much of what Obama is currently saying. He or she will be more attractive than the Republican because Democrats believe in tabloid governance. He or she will say that Obamacare is wonderful but that healthcare is so complicated the bill itself needs to be repaired so lets all dig in and make the darn thing better. He or she will bring the same kind of incompetance to the State Department and Justice that we currently have. He or she will believe that social justice trumps the laws of economics. He or she will believe that debt isn't important as long as it a certain percentage of GDP but will enact the same kind of programs that expand the welfare state and drag GDP down.

    My guess, RuPaul.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    I have to go with a Dem, because the GOP can't help themselves offending people. It's like a disease.... And yes, because X said something stupid/evil it should reflect on your party if you do not kick them out. Silent consent. I know, novel idea... Holding something a group does not say or do against them.

    It's amazing the freaking by law changes they made to stifle speech in their own party and toss Paul under the bus. If you can do that, you can kick idjits that offend people.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    If neither Clinton nor Christie are candidates for POTUS in '16, which party wins?
    I think it's way to early to speculate.

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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The democrats have demographic trends going for them. I could be wrong but I don't see the GOP winning the White House for a long time, regardless of the candidate. Hispanics are probably going to tip the scales in favor of the Democrats for a generation as the GOP has made it clear they see them as a problem. Texas should be a swing state possibly as soon at 2016 while Florida will go solidly blue. Puerto Rico will gain statehood at some point soon as a blue state. Then add women voters, most of whom are trending democrat and the GOP senior citizen vote that sadly one day will not be with us and to me the question is will the democrats get arrorgant and ram through unpopular policies just because they'll control the White House and both houses of congress. If they do, that could be the best hope the GOP might have at any significant influence the Washington in future years.
    Smeagol, you are spot on!
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Balderdash!! Electorally independents are currently breaking Republican due to a slow economic recovery coupled with uncertainty and resentment over Obamacare.

    In 2016 two things are most certainly to occur in the Presidential election.

    1) African Americans will not vote in the same numbers they did in the last two elections
    2) Evangelical Christians who sat out due to a issues with a "Mormon" candidate will be back to vote.

    If the economy is still weak, the Repubs will even pick up more Hispanic votes than last time. That is if they don't trip all over their feet over immigration.

    As usual , the democratic play-book will be focused on the war on women, the war on minorities, the war on the elderly and the war on immigrants, and not about jobs or the economy.


    Republicans have a pretty good chance again.
    I do not agree that African-Americans won't vote in the numbers they have in the last two elections. What makes you think that?
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I think it's way to early to speculate.
    I agree, and yet we have a whole thread made up of speculation.
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    Re: Suppose the best Democrat and best Republican POTUS candidates are out..?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am not sure what you are talking about here. My point is the huge advantage in trust worthy or as you put it, solid blue states. Christie prior to bridgegate could have changed that advantage, NJ's 14 taken from the Democratic column and placed into the Republican, probably PA, CT and DE (30 EV) from the solid Democratic column into the toss up column. After bridgegate or as of now, Christie is not in play and neither are the changes I just stated. PA, CT, DE and NJ (44 EV) remain solid blue/trustworthy Democratic without him.

    Hence my statement of it being good political strategy on the Democrats part to tear Christie down as much as they can with bridgegate. If you think what I said is wrong, no problem. It is just opinions anyway. But it seems to me we said or are saying the same thing. The Democrats no matter who they run start off with around a 70 vote EV advantage regardless of who they run. Only Christie of the ones mentioned on the Republicans could have shrunk that advantage to approximately even, that is before bridgegate. Not now.

    Personally at this time I do not see how any Republican can over come the current huge EV advantage the Democrats have. But one never knows what events, what issues will be hot, two and one half years from now. Political situations and advantages are very dynamic. They change over time. But the Republican Party is on the down slide and if not for the ACA, would becoming pretty irrelevant, even in this years election.
    I was referring to your post since it made the point better than I could. I was not debating your post, which was as usual excellent.
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